Beautiful Brunette Wife

Very interresting posts....
Thank you for keeping us updated!

Thanks for all the advice. I’m sure holy water would help things along except that she doesn’t take. She doesn’t like how it makes her feel, so I’m afraid that option is out. I do think she is making progress though.

Had another game on Tuesday night. William was there but had another lady with him.

A short gif from the other day.

William showed up to Saturday’s game by himself.

My thoughts:

He's feeling it. She's feeling it. But she won't act on it if she feels it's wrong. The trick, now, is getting her to feel like it's okay for her to allow action to occur.

Also- watch out for william. It's one thing when a bull has the approval from another man to be intimate with his wife. William is making moves behind your back (or so he thinks). That's an indicator that he's sneaky and untrustworthy.

William picked up his flower after practice last night and hung around long enough to talk to me afterward (my wife doesn't come to practices). We talked about the team for a few minutes until he steered the conversation to how much he enjoyed watching the games with the parents on this team and how they were much better than those on their last team. He then asked me again if I was cool with him sitting by my wife during the games, I said something like “sure, I think she likes having someone to talk to while I’m coaching.

A good response might have been, "Thanks. Tell her that. I'm sure she'd like the compliment.

Still, it's a very exciting development!

Williams flower had a relax over last night with my flower. He should be picking her up at noon.

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I enjoyed "the dismount". I watched it a lot and spurted to it.

I wonder if you could do this...

Strike up a brief conversation with her like this...
You (smile and kiss her):"You sure are beautiful."
Her: [some response]
You: "In fact, William agrees with me. He told me I'm lucky to have such a sexy wife."

If she reponds negatively, backpedal just a little and say something like, "hey I'm just saying I'm thankful to have you as my wife"

If she doesn't respond negatively... well... take it slow and try to get her to to do more of the talking. Get her to express her true feelings about William.

Don't push her into saying things, but keep smiling and make her feel like it's okay for her to talk to you about it.

Thanks spooj, I will try that sometime this week, maybe tonight.

William pulled up to the house a few minutes before noon on friday. I was watching from my car from the next block. He knocked and my wife answered. I was somewhat surprised that she invited him in. They were inside for about 20 minutes before he and his flower came out and left.

Ya need to chat him up. Mention ex's, flings, one nightstands, and booty calls. To find out where he stands. With the poor audio, its hard to say. He could have been feeling her out for a fling. Leaving the opening for her to tell him what she wanted from him. "you know all i find is white women that only want sex, are you one of those?"Either way, if he meant what you thought your heard. Problems lie ahead, if hes hung up on being just a booty call. Probably need to back off, it would end badly. It sounds like he catches feeling from women he relaxs with. Nothing wrong with that, just not ideal for what yall are going for.

My wife and I talked in bed last night. I worked in the comment suggested by spooj about how beautiful I thought she was, and as is typical, she downplayed it and told me I had to say that because I was her husband. I responded by saying that she is beautiful in anyone’s eyes and that I see men checking her out all the time. She downplayed that too and I responded that in fact, I had someone say that I was a lucky man because she is so beautiful and sexy. She acted incredulous and said that a man wouldn’t say that to a husband. I told her that William did just last week. She then asked me to repeat what he said. That led to a discussion about William, his outgoing and disarming permisterality, and why I wasn’t upset when he told me that.

The conversation then evolved to her telling me some of what she and William had talked about the other day, without ever telling me that they had the discussion in our living room. She said that William was dating a lot but that most of the women he had dated didn’t want a long term relationship. She said that he felt like they just wanted sex without a long term commitment. I said that is a switch and asked if it was because he was only dating white women. She said that she thought it was, and that he said many white women want to try sex with a black man. We discussed that for a while before she said that William had even been approached by a white husband wanting him to have sex with his wife. I couldn’t believe my luck. She asked me how a man could do that, and I said that many men have a fantasy to watch their wife being pleasured by someone else, and what would be more exciting than watching a big strong black man giving it to her. We didn’t get much further because she was all over me. She was as wet as I can remember and came hard and quick. I never did tell her my feelings, but the subject was opened and I could tell it excited her.

Permisterally, I think the talk William had with her in the living room was less about getting advise on his other relationships, and more about talking about sex with my wife. Any advice?

I don't have any advice to offer, but I a really liking what I am reading on your thread. Nice and slow...

Well done, sir. Not only because of the way you brought up the topic, but also because it's EXTREMELY important to communicate with your wife about such things.

Send her a text or email, saying that you really enjoyed how you spoke openly and freely with each other in last night's conversation.

After she replies, your next statement should be.. " I felt like the conversation was going in a good direction...then you got really excited! Should we continue our conversation tonight?"

The best way to guide her down this path is to keep inviting her to talk about it, share her feelings, and show that you're receptive to it. Try to let her do the talking, while you keep smiling and making her feel more comfortable about things.

If she talks again about "how could a man do that?" Reply with talk about her and a dildo.

Like this: "Well, I think it's amazingly hot when you're getting fucked by your black dildo...seeing you cumming on that big black dick. You gotta admit - we've both gotten immense pleasure from that. That's the same fantasy, only using a dildo instead of the real thing."

Then, after a pause, smile lovingly (this is important), and say, "You mean, you don't get excited thinking about William?"
If she immediately denies it, say, "Well, like I said, it's sort of the same fantasy as using a dildo. It's not unusual. We've done it."

If she doesn't deny it, reply calmly with, "See? It's not unusual."

[OPTIONAL - if you feel likes she's open to hearing it, you might say...]"Honestly, I think the fantasy of you being dominated by a big black man is very hot."

If she starts getting hot-and-bothered again, you might even start feeling her up, talking dirty to her about her feeling William's body on her, his big dick pressing against her, squeezing into her, etc... all while you feel her up/go down on her/use a dildo on her. If it gets to this level, be sure to say William's name a few times to make sure she's got her fantasy directly on him.

On the other hand, if she freaks out, you can just say, "hey - I'm just sharing fantasy talk with you." It will be a step in the wrong direction progress-wise, but at least your feelings would then be out in the open.

What I'm hearing from spooj is breaching the 'intellectual modeling' line, as it were. IE you can talk about things that you may not necessarily do in real life. You can admit carnal urges, and I can't tell what would be overload to your wife but just doing that verbally would be a much smaller step than basically informing her outright: "oh and I want you to fuck this dude". Great, great thread, thank you for posting.

Thanks for the advice. It was an exciting turn of events the other night. The conversation went much further than I would have imagined. Last night was pretty hectic and we had no time or energy to talk, other than for me to tell her I loved the events of the previous night.

Well done. No need to rush things. ....and thanks for sharing with us.

Another game last night. William showed up with another lady. I haven't seen this one before, but she was white and looking pretty hot. Even with her there, William sat by my wife and he talked with her off and on throughout the game. It's interesting to watch my wife's reaction to William walking up to the bleachers, even when he has a woman in tow. She still fidgets in her seat and primps her hair and blouse as soon as she sees him. It's an exciting reaction from her, even if she doesn't realize she is doing it.

Any thoughts on how to proceed?

When she sees another white woman with him, the visualization re-establishes in her mind the idea of her being with him. Almost a sort-of "if she can do it, I can do it" mentality.

Try another conversation with her like I said in post #76.

Then give a few days of silence (women hate to be rushed or pushed). After that (and depending on how well or poorly that conversation goes), I think maybe another hot tub session could be a good next step. especially if you could get her and him alone in it (such as the three of you in the hot tub, and then you have to take/make a phone call or something. Note: this won't work very well if other people are there.

I'm thinking more about the recent conversation William had with her...

"She said that ... [William] said many white women want to try sex with a black man."
and
"she said that William had even been approached by a white husband wanting him to have sex with his wife."
(note: did William actually go through with it, I wonder?)

These are things that William told your wife. Whether they are true or not is irrelevant.

I'm thinking out loud here.... what is his intent in telling her these things?
potential answers:
(1) he's hitting on her
(2) he's actually sending YOU a message through her
(3) he's putting the thought in her mind that he has sex with white women and she could be one of them

I think the next milestone to accomplish is to get her to express to you her fantasies about William and for you to express to her your fantasies about it. Get that out in the open and get her to be comfortable talking to you about it... maybe even getting off on it. Soon after that, you two could fantasize that together and use that fantasy in your sex life. If you do this at the same time that she casually bumps into him socially here and there, it could drive her crazy with desire when she's around him.

My take on my wife's conversation with William is that he is definitely hitting on her and that he was introducing the subject to her in a way that she could talk about it in a non-threatening, third permister dialogue. That type of topic is just not usually brought up in conversation, especially when the two of them are sitting alone together on a couch in our family room. Pretty smooth on his part.

Good luck. And be careful not to push too hard.

DISCLAIMER... this comment assumes that the above is all 100% true and that the OP is genuinely confused and seeking advice... if this is all stroke off fantasy in whatever way, please disregard

OK, with that out of the way... Im not sure how you can think your wife would be this naive honestly. You've been pumping her full of interracial fantasy scenarios and subtly encouraging her to get closer to this single black dad incl bringing him into a hot tub.

Not sure if you know anything about women, but they are *very* adept at picking up on cuckolds brownie like this. Guys are the braindead ones, not women.

So if anything, she is being coy. When she said "I cant believe there are guys that would do that!" she was basically saying "is it really ok with you for me to fuck this guy???"

If this were a train in a station, it would be all fired up, steam billowing out, and blowing the whistle to leave

At this point u need to make 100% sure u *want* to be on it because its just about at the point where, if u dont, u cant stop it.

Again, if this is real, that should be your focus. Assuming this is all real, your wife is a few weeks away from fucking this guy whether you like it or not. Once she does, u may discover that u really *didnt* want this in real life, and u are very likely to discover that u are *not* in control

so first step for u is all about u. decide what u want your *reality* to be and step back from the fantasy for a bit. posting here 99.9% of the answers are going to be geared towards pushing your "story" forward because they are looking for stroke fantasy.

if you're reading this its because this *is* real (or you ignored my disclaimer) and you're not just writing an elaborate fiction for the mutual stroking. if thats the case then unplug and think before your next steps.

...yeah, no one can really read your situation from online. from your story alone mb she is really curious/wanting in a serious way. we're just used to hearing about hesitancy. one thing for sure is you do seem to have the inside line.

-2 finger type-

I agree with Bucket, she is at the point where she wants to see if this is something you could accept or want in reality, not just fantasy. The fact that she was all over you when talking about the husband who asked William to fuck his wife shows where her mind is.

I appreciate the advice you have all given, it has given me a lot to think about. I have read some of the comments of late and feel like I should reiterate that my wife is quite conservative.

The trick now is to maintain momentum and keep things progressing without pushing too hard. That's a difficult balance that only you can have a feel for.

I look forward to the next update

Another game tonight.