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XanderDG

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Wow, amazing she was into the pron--and the ir porn, too. i would love for my gf to see my ir pron, but i'm too nervous. she always says she's not into porn. but has sent signals that she finds black men attractive. let me know what happens. i hear jamaica can get wild. good luck. maybe keep it to fantasy? it's tricky.
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As the Man from Hope, AK said; 'I feel your pain...'

I had a similar situation with my long-term GF, and it evolved like this;

We'd had a normal (!) sort of sex life, much like the one you describe, and it was only after I had a brush with mortality due to cancer (since recovered so far, 7 years ago...) that I found it possible to commence a completely frank and open dialogue about our respective sexual history.

It was most fulfilling, a little scary, in that we both learned things about each other that surprised...(She'd been a world class Star fucker in her twenties, and slept her way almost to the top in various rock and movie situations, including one or two famous black actors...)

I became very aroused at these things, and we gradually evolved to listing on swinger sites, going to clubs etc.

This was OK, but not particularly arousing, and I found that the real attraction for me (and her) was the MFM thing, in dim semi-public surroundings, with anonymous strangers.

The thing that got her to the stage of wanting all of this commenced with the panted words during sex, as I'm sure you've found...

I'd put my fingers in her mouth as I was fucking her from behind, and tell her it was a strange cock...I'd say at closing moments; 'Do you want to be fucked?' 'Do you need to be fucked?' 'Tell me, tell me...'

'Yes, yes, yes..' would eventually emerge...

We progressed through all the usual living out of fantasies, different scenarios, voyeurism/exhibitiionism...she loved to show, to tease, to arouse invited males by dancing lewdly on my coffee table...

I'd like to say that it all opened a sunlit era on our relationship, but alas, I became more interested in the processes than in her, and my predeliction for also being the invited male to other couples eventually became more than she could absorb...and she left...

I miss her like air, but believe the course of events were inevitable, and I continue to be attracted and involved in these types of encounters...

It's tired cliche, but...'Be careful what you wish for, for you're going to get it...'

Pilgrim54
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In the shrubbery, about to be used..
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The coffee table...

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XanderDg,

Sounds like you're already there, you just need to do the right things at this point to ease her into it. Go slowly but surely, step by step and it will happen.

Everyone has different ways of doing it and only you know your wife but this is what I did and it worked for me.

Rent or buy the movie Animal Instincts with Shannon Whirry and David Carradine (make sure you get the first one, the one with David Carradine, Animal Instincts part two and three suck). It's kind of hard to find but I'm sure you can do it. I went to five rental places and finally found it, it's expensive to buy:

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It's about a couple where the woman is oversexed and the man isn't. One day he comes home to find her fucking the cable guy and it turns out that he likes to watch. So they set up cameras in the bedroom and she puts an ad in the paper and he watches her fuck men from the other room. No kidding, it's total cuckold stuff and it's a mainstream movie. It's a perfect way to bring up the subject. Perfect. Start talking to her during the movie, use it to open up dialogue between you both. Tell her that you like to watch too. Tell her that you would happy just to watch and that you wouldn't want to swing with other women and that you would be faithful to her while she can pick out men to relax with while you hide and watch (or watch in the open, whatever you like).

Then as you talk about it more over the next few days and during you sex sessions, tell you that you would prefer that she find black men to swing with as that would not make you jealous. You know that she would never fall in love with a black or get serious with them and that it's only sex.

Then, start with something small. Just have one of the black guys come over and have her give him a hand job while she's wearing something sexy. Don't go all the way. Tell her you want to do something small so you can both explore your feelings and make sure everything is ok. Keep things light and fun, no big drama.

Then the next time, have her kiss his cock or suck it a little. When that goes well, have her give a blowjob. Then have sex all the way. Work up to it.

Doing it that way worked perfectly for me. I've watched her have sex with black guys over a dozen times so far and it's hot as hell.

Good luck and keep us posted.
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Having been the permister on the outside with several different couples, it's nice to see this kind of post here - meaning one that has some reality and thought to it. I've said for a long time that when it's done right, those of us who act as the Dom, the bull, the third are in reality being used by the people inside the marriage.

The bar scene would not rank on top of my list. Not in this day and age. You'll come back from vacation having fulfilled a fantasy perhaps, but then stuck with the reality that you know next to nothing about the sexual history of whomever it was. Condoms break. I know. I've broke my share. And even if they don't, they're *safer* but safe sex is a misnomer.
I quit picking up women in bars a long time ago for that very reamister. One of you needs to know the permister. If it's not going to be you, let it be her and be the cuck from the word go.

The internet is a good place to explore the fantasy before making it a reality. Take that pic up there and create her a profile on aff or alt. You, or her if that's the case will have plenty to talk to within a short period. BUt make it for you both, not for you, not for her, and definitely not for anyone outside.
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Glad you posted that, Invader.

Everyone has their own way of doing things and there are no rules but to us, the bull is the one being used, not us. He doesn't have any say in what goes on at all and is just a living dildo as far as we are concerned. Our marriage and relationship rank well above him and what he has to say. And if he doesn't like it, he can hit the road as there are about a dozen others waiting in line to take his place.

But like I said, everyone has their own way of doing things and turn ons so don't let this thread turn into some flame war for 'bull's rights' or silly things like that. I just wanted to post the way we do it to help show newbies that there are other ways of playing the cuckold game that doesn't have to be so threatening to your marriage and relationship.
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Let us know how it goes. I'm curious now.

I recommend doing it with someone that you don't know, not one of your friends or coworkers. Keep your marriage and homelife separate from swinging.

I'd say your racist but who cares? So am I and so are most people. You're just in brainwashed denial. I'm even willing to bet that the only reamister you want to vote for Barack Hussein Obama (bet you didn't even know that his middle name is Hussein) is just because he's black. You know very little about him and he has very little experience in politics. I think you need to work on accepting the fact that there are differences between the races and it's perfectly natural to have preferences and it's also natural for certain races to outperform others. It's been that way throughout history and in all areas of the world. It's not about to change no matter how PC we get.

The reamister why I like seeing my wife with a black is because it's more slutty and dirty. And I know that she's not going to fall for him on any level at all other than slutty sex.

On a side note, permisterally, I think all the candidates this election suck. Every one of them. Only a few have enough experience and out of those most are 'open borders' and 'amnesty for illegal aliens' nutjobs. We should throw them all off a cliff and start over.
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Does being "used" get under my skin? Not at all. Everyone involved in these types of relationships have a need. For it to work, and work consistently, those needs must be met and be met for everyone. It's like a tripod. Take away any of the legs, and it will fall. So my need, to fuck, Dominate, use a married woman with her husband's knowledge and sometimes participation. To make her cum all over my cock, to make her need it so bad she hurts for it, to teach her what I expect of her, train her, do things to her and take her in ways that are socially unacceptable. I like it when I know it fulfills something they need because it means the need will grow just as mine grows. Consider it a form of feeding one another.

And no, I'm not saying to use someone you know. As james said, keep your married life and your social life separate. I might add your professional life as well. What I'm saying is take your time to find someone. If Craigslist has your friends on it. Don't look there. Go to alt or Adult Friend Finder. The internet is not a one room house. If you want kept out of it, let her deal with the contacts. If you want her kept out of it, arrange it. There are different ways of approaching the same problem, but the bottom line is you need to spend a little time getting to know the man on the other end or you may well end up with something you neither wanted nor will ever want again.

And I agree James. The candidates all seem to suck. I won't vote for a man who barely has more political experience than I do, and I'm tired of this country being the land to which everyone flees but pay no taxes.
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Hi Guys,

Thanks for not turning this into a flame war and glad that we can share experiences and advice without being overly PC.

Bear in mind that some cuckold couples make the white man the slave to both of them. He dresses like a woman and brings them both takes and sucks his cock to get it ready and eats her pussy and even helps guide the dick in. Then he licks out the black cum when they are done. They might refer to him as white boy or cracker and he calls them master and mistress. While others make the black guy the toy and call him nigger and tell him what to do. There are no set ways of doing it and certainly no rules. It's all just fantasy play and if everyone consents and has fun, why not?

And then some guys want to watch all the action out in the open, some like to take pictures and video, some like to hide in the closet and peek, some like to be in the next room listening, and some like to wait at home while their wives are on dates and then hear about it when she gets home. Again, there are no rules. You should do what turns you on.

But I think good, overall universal advice for you in your situation would be to ease her into it. Take baby steps. Get her talking about the subject by watching that movie and talking about it during sex, remind her during the day by texting her or something, start making your sex life more fun. Then take a sexy picture of her with a wig and sunglasses on or something and post an ad looking for a local black guy for fun. Agree to just a hand job, that's all. If it turns out that you get too jealous or if she worries it will ruin your marriage, it's OK, it's just a hand job. Once you see that goes well, you can slowly do more and more and more until she's full on fucking and having fun. Take your time.

One thing you will discover is that finding the other man can be very difficult. Most of them will be flakes. They will send phoney pics, lie about what they look like, not show up with no explanation, bring their friends along, show up unshowered and dirty, etc. etc. Be prepared for that. You'll have to go through dozens before you find the right one. It's not easy at all. I recommend meeting them at a coffee shop or something that is close by your house, don't waste your time going there until you can confirm that they are there. Then just meet and let your wife do all the talking, even go to the bathroom so they are alone for a while. If she likes him, go home for the handjob and have fun.

Once you find someone that she likes that is not flakey and likes to play along with your game, then you will truly start to enjoy it and relax.

Oh by the way, I don't think Netflix has Animal Instincts. It's kind of hard to find. You can buy it for about 70 bucks. I was lucky to find it in the library section of a Blockbuster. You can find part two and three usually, but they really suck. Not even worth watching. But the first one, with David Carradine, is very hot and perfect for your situation.
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I've given up arguing politics and could care less anymore. I'm voting solely on one issue: Illegal immigration. All my votes and donations will go to the candidate with the strongest stance against illegal immigration. I don't care if they are black, white, rep or dem, male or female, I'm sick and tired of illegal aliens bankrupting our country and clogging up our schools, roads and hospitals with attitudes to go along with it.

I live in Los Angeles and I've had it.

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Quoting: jamesriske
I'm voting solely on one issue: Illegal immigration. All my votes and donations will go to the candidate with the strongest stance against illegal immigration. I don't care if they are black, white, rep or dem, male or female, I'm sick and tired of illegal aliens bankrupting our country and clogging up our schools, roads and hospitals with attitudes to go along with it.


Well, well, well ... I'm not trying to argue ... but u really talk as if it weren't the immigrants who built that country. "Once the religious, the hunted and weary, came to this land, to build a new vision ..." - among those, were millions of immigrants of all origins, legal or not, who made that country what it is now, with the sweat from their bodies (and the sweat of the people in the countries submitted to America). So ... what's the big deal about illegal immigration? They contribute in many different ways to american society, taking the worst jobs - that no american wants to take, in general. (I won't power discussion, this is just a comment).
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Name,

They were legal immigrants. My great grandman came here from Hungary and he was a legal immigrant. He didn't sneak across our border and live here illegally.

I'm speaking about ILLEGAL immigrants, not legal immigration.

It's a big game among politicians and people like you to use euphemisms to dance around the issue of illegal immigration to call them everything from undocumented workers to immigrants.

I'm all for immigration but I'm against illegal immigration.

Now, what's your next argument for the U.S. to accept and support all the people in the world who want to come here?

How about you take a more realistic approach: Have them clean up their own countries and protest there instead of coming to America to demand 'rights' from us that we can't afford?

There is no excuse for illegal behavior. If you don't like the laws of the U.S., write to your elected officials to change those laws. If you feel sorry for Mexican immigrants who come here seeking a better life, work to pressure the corrupt Mexican government to clean up it's act to provide them with better lives.

But don't tell me that we should reward law breakers or condone violating the law of my country.

And certainly don't tell me that we should take in and support over 30 percent of some third world's country population when we can barely afford to pay our own citizen's social security.
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""""""""They contribute in many different ways to american society, taking the worst jobs - that no american wants to take, in general.""""""""

Oh really?

When I was in high school, I worked as a dishwasher and on a septic tank pump trunk to make money. I'm not kidding.

And just exactly how did America get along without all these illegal aliens to drive trucks and work fast food for all these years and grow to such a prosperous country without this flood of illegal, uneducated aliens into our cournty?

hmmm?

I've got news for you: Working at McDonald's is not a career. It's a job high school kids do as they learn about jobs and working while they go to school to learn new jobs. It's not a life-time career for some illegal alien to do for years and years.

This nonsense that Illegal aliens do jobs that Americans won't do is bullcuckolds brownie. They TAKE and STEAL jobs from us that entry-level Americans should be doing and they hold onto them for years so they can send money back to Mexico.

In reality, they should clean up their own country so that it provides decent jobs and standards of living for them so they don't have to come here illegally.

That is the HUMANE solution.

And by the way, if you want to try to tell me how much they contribute, you better check out this site first to see just how much they take:

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There's also the pro/am route.

She might get even get paid to fuck a pro Bull.

There's big demand for fresh faces in this sort of thing.

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Hey Bro

This has become one of my favorite threads to read. This is one of those threads on this site that has alot of intelligent responses and makes those of us who share some semblance of this fantasy/reality feel pretty "normal" about our "abnormal" sexual desires.

Over the last 6 -12 months I have shared many of the vids posted by james,mclaren,moonlite-ect ect with my wife. They have become a very normal part of our sexual routine if you will. The vids have planted a visual seed- the big toys have planted a physical one- the pillow talk about it all a psycological one-she told me the other nite that she is almost 100% sure that 20 years from now we will still be married(we will be 59) I asked her what the odds were that in that time we would live out this fantasy we have begun to share- she told me about 10-20%.

A year ago the answer would have been "no chance". So if nothing else being a member of this site- getting the vids you guys have so generously shared- reading threads like this- all of it has really enhanced our reality by making us feel much better and normal about our fantasies. I really think all this fantasy and sharing thoughts and desires has been healthy for us in so many ways. She was always my best friend with benefits. Now I just don't hide the things I used to think about but was afraid to tell her. Feels great to be able to let it out.

Good luck with it all XanderDG- you seem to be on the right path around here
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NAME,
in the beggining immigrants were people who came here to live and prosper and be a taxpaying, flagflying, AMERICAN! Mexicans come here and defy our laws and drive automobiles without insurance. They have youngren who we as taxpayers support( they recieve social security because they are minorities), even though they do not pay taxes!!! A mexican broadsided a friend of mine and totaled my friends truck and trailer, yet the state trooper let the dirtbag mexican walk away because there was nothing he could do about it.
If we did that, we would be held liable. If they are givin permission to stay here, then they should have to abide by our laws which at the moment they do not. I own and opperate a palmtree nursery in Florida, yet i will NEVER hire or support ILLEGAL, not legal, ILLEGAL aliens because they are cheaper! Only people who don't have first hand experience w/ this subject should'nt comment due to what they have read in the papers, political bullcuckolds brownie! I grew up in Miami Florida, believe me, i've seen it all!! I believe everyone should get their chance to live in this great country, but EVERYONE should be regulated and held liable for their actions, and eliminate the "minority" factor!! I'm just putting in my two cents, which is about what it's worth!
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Ok, I promise to lay off the political posts no matter how baited a post becomes. Sorry about that.

Back to the original discussion about easing your wife into it.

I remember well what it was like to start out doing this and all the hopes and fantasies that I had.

Here's my story in a semi-quick nutshell.

I met a woman who was just recently divorced from her husband. She was very HOT and just my type, slim, classy dresser and feminine. I was surprised that in our very first date she told me a story about how she tried to talk her ex into swinging but that he would flatly refuse. She said that she was bored sexually with him and they were married for 15 years. Then she asked me if I have ever done swinging. I told her the truth in that I had before in the past. Well, this obviously put her in a new perspective and I could tell that we would probably end up swinging together somehow. In hindsight, I also know that she specifically asked me that to find out what my feelings about it would be early on in our dating.

Sex with her is just great, she loves sex and would do it twice a day on a regular basis if you let her. As the months went by, she dropped the subject of swinging and I didn't know why. (I now know that she decided that she would get too jealous of me having sex with another woman). So I got us all comfortable on the couch, gave her a glass of wine, and put in Animal Instincts as described in my previous message. It's impossible to watch this movie and not talk about cuckolding/watching. When the scene started with the wife having sex with the other man while the husband watched, I said, "Hmm..that's kind of sexy." To which she replied, "Is that what you like? Do you like to watch" and it opened up a good discussion where I told her that I did. Before the movie was over we were having sex on the couch with the watching fantasy going on in our heads.

That night we talked about and she admitted that she wanted to swing but didn't want me too. I admitted that I would be happy just watching her and jacking off. She also admitted that she would like to try light domination games with me too. (I'm not making this up, guys).

But we weren't sure how it would all go.

Doing it slowly and carefully and especially starting with just a handjob was my idea and I'm glad we did. We put an ad on the internet and found a guy that she liked. Met him at the coffee shop. And then invited him over the next night. He was a white, younger guy and as I've already written, it was boring for us both. She wasn't turned on at all either. I am so glad that we only agreed to a little dick rubbing at first, something small. She might have felt pressured to go all the way and that would have been worse.

So we talked some more and decided to try a black guy. I was very turned on by this and she admitted that she was too because it was more taboo, more dirty, and more slutty. Almost all the porn that I save is interracial too by the way.

We also started to play domination games together. She got some great outfits and makes me do foot worship, golden showers and light whipping.

We had a very hard time finding a few black guys to choose from. Almost all of them sent phoney pics, lied about themselves, showed up smelling like a bum, etc. etc. Half don't show up at all. So you really have to play a numbers game. Be persistent. And then we finally found a nice, normal black guy who just likes sex and wanted to play along.

I decided that the best way to do this is for me to hide in the closet. That way, the guy wouldn't flake at the last minute by being too nervous and I would still be there in case he got too frisky. We agreed to only a handjob again. She came home and played a domination game with me, making me suck her feet as she trampled me with her other heel and teasing me about how she was going to pleasure a black cock. When the doorbell rang, I was hard as a rock and went to the closet.

To make the story shorter, everything went perfectly well. We were both turned on and she did progressively more things with them until she was eventually having full-on sex while I watched from the closet. After the guys leave, we would have sex or a domination game session depending on her mood.

She now has about three black guys she can call for sex that are compatable. Two think she is a cheating wife but one knows that I know about it and the last time they had sex, I was watching in the open. She told him before hand that I would be there but not interfering and he was reluctant but she talked him into it. I stayed out of the way as much as possible.

It was VERY VERY hot watching them. I was kneeling in the hall looking through the bedroom door as they went at it. My cock was litterally dripping with precum and it was so hard to resist the urge to jack off so I could cum. It was so much more humiliating and so much more a turn on being out in the open as they disregarded me and had sex in front of me as I watched through the doorway. After he cummed, I went to the other room out of the way so not to get in the way . When he left, my cock was so worn out I had a strange thing happen. She had me lay down and started giving me a blowjob. My cock would only get semi-hard but I came. I came with a half hard on, something that's never happend to me and I came in buckets. Biggest cum I've ever done with her.

That was about three weeks ago and I'm sure she will line something up again soon. I never pressure her or mention it to her and she is free to do it as much or as little as she wants. She will usually just send me a message saying that it's her slut night and give me instructions.

We have just recently talked about having another woman join us so that she can fool around with her (she likes lesbian sex once in a while) and I would be dominated by both of them. I would lay on the floor with their heels on me as they sat on the couch and made out together and fooled around.

Needless to say, I can't wait for that.

So, it looks as if I have more fun and adventures in the future and I'm having a ball. I don't feel the slightest bit jealous of her watching because I know that we both put our relationship first and above all else. And I know damn well that she has zero romantic interest in the black guys too. They are just her fuck toys for our fun.

So the way I did it was to find a woman who just loved sex and introduced her into the cuckold lifestyle and then took baby steps to start doing it.

By all means, Xander, get that movie and watch it when you get her in a good mood and comfortable. Start the conversation going and don't be afraid to admit to her that watching is your fantasy. Seems to me that women are reluctant to go into swinging because they don't want to see their men with other women. You have to reassure her that's not what you want. You've already kind of made the mistake to try to have a threesome with another woman and then she caught you cheating on her so you can bet that it's a concern for her. If you play your cards right and say the right things when you 'confess' your fantasy to her after watching the movie, you can even put the idea in her head that playing a cuckold game with you would be a way to KEEP you faithful and make sure you weren't with other women.

Take your time with it, keep talking to her, and work up to having a black guy come over for a hand job. Take it step by step. Once you put the ad in and actually meet one for coffee, you're pretty much already there.

But by all means, keep us posted. Post in this thread. let us know happens.

I think the number one question on here is: How do I get my wife to do it?

I'm sure others want to know what happens with you and what steps you take.
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Xander, no, I don't live in the NYC area - about half way down the country south of you. Like many other lifestyles, the covering term describes people of varying interests. The right path for you is probably not the same right path for anyone else. Just looking at the topic lists will tell you that. There are folks here who like interracial play, age play, some like their wives slutty, some are outright gays living in traditional marriages. The best right path that I see you on is actually working with your wife. Many are too afraid to even mention it to their spouse and will live forever in fantasy land. Nothing wrong with that, it's just learning to separate reality in what you read with things that decidedly not real.

Decide what your part in it will be. Do it up front because I promise you, if you don't, you will afterwards and the process will probably not be pleasant because what is done cannot be undone. James is not exactly the most politically correct permister here (something I like), but he knows what he likes, what he wants, where he will go, where he will not go, and has worked it into his relationship. There is balance and harmony in that.

There is also balance and harmony in guys who dress like girls and do whatever they do.

My first cuckold experience was fucking my best friend's wife. It changed parts of that relationship forever, but none of us, not me, not her, not him would go back and change it. There's a post in the rough section of mine called Long Story that tells it all if you want to read it. But the bottom line is that it's not what is done, it's how it's done. And yeah, I agree, the pro-am route is a quick way of *******ing careers.
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XanderDG

Back to some ideas for you to become a cuckold:

What worked for me was getting my wife a massage. I asked her if she wanted a nice massage from a well hung, good looking man. She said, "what about the extra?" I put and ad on Craigs List for a guy to massage my wife. I found one. The rest is history.

Key to this is a lot of conversation before hand. She knows I'm not going to cheat because that wouldn't be becoming of a cuckold and it's cuckolding I am into. Not open swinging. She gets it now and likes it.
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Sorry for the rant, i did'nt mean to interupt your thread!! My wife and i got started with me telling her about my past escapades w/ wild sluts and their fantasies. She would'nt go BBC untill we were married. When that finally came, we were partying one night and she told me when she used to dance, (yes she was a stripper a little while back) she had black guys fall all over her, and that made her wet!! She did'nt act upon those thoughts though, and she had unfinished buisness that needed tending to.
I told her i would love to watch a black guy fuck the hell out of her and she pulled me off the couch and away we went to the local corner store to find BBC. We found a guy in no time and he was willing to come party w/ us. He fucked her for hours that night and returned many times after that. I'm a blonde surfer, that is my wifes' perfect guy, so i need not worry about her leaving me for a black man. You need not worry that your wife will leave you for a black man, she married you, therefore you are the type of man she is looking for and has found. James has put it in perspective for you, i would listen to him and his story if i were you!
If she will go for BBC, then do it!! It has been 7 years since that fatefull night and my wife and i are still going strong!!! Like you, we don't participate in femdom or "cleaning up", i just like to watch and participate when i can. I like to have her sucking me while he is banging her, and then we'll swap positions when we shoot our load. BBC is a safe bet, and you'll enjoy every minute of it, i have!!!!~
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It may come as a surpriese to you, but I'm not of mexican descent and I actually do not live in North America. I do not believe that all the italian, polish, centro-american ... a.s.o that went to America got there legally!
I know for a fact that many of them didn't. Hey, you needed cheap manpower, you used it (them). Now, you still need cheap manpower - and the proof is that, no matter how hard your immigration dept. fights illegal immigrants, they keep being hired by contractors, bar and restaurant owners, gas stations, garbage collecting companies and agriculture, to cite a few. Their salaries are lower than those of the average american ... because they are ILLEGAL! When you use their services or purchase the products made with that manpower, you profit from illegal immigration. Illegal immigrants cannot collect social security or other benefits, and you well know it! So ... the big deal is: they're invaders in our country! (you seem to forget that American business invades all countries and bribes politicians all over the world, besides interfering in their internal matters). Ok. You may create one day the perfect society just for yourselves (and that's what some americans believe they can do, just like Hitler believed, in his time, to be creating a perfect society to rule the world). Did you understand what I'm hinting at? My country ... your country ... laws! If only America respected some basic laws, such as: a citizen of one country cannot be *******ped to be judged in another. All primisterers have a right to defend themselves and to have a fair trial - and nobody can be put in jail without a proper accusation. Law is a good thing, when you respect it too. Illegal immigrants are people who face subaltern conditions in their countries and commit the mistake to try to solve that problem by migrating to a richer country which will not accept them as equals. Next lecture: May 30th.
"came to this land, to find a new vision, far from the reaches of kingdom and pope" ...
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Name,

I guessed you missed the part where we all promised not to be baited into a polticial discussion. I don't give a cuckolds brownie what you think or who you voted for. This is a cuckold fantasy forum for Christ's sake.

This is a great thread about this guy easing his wife into the cuckold lifestyle and we are all sharing how we did it and eagerly waiting to hear his story as it unfolds.

Let's keep it on topic.

I know I was a past offender but let's try to keep it on topic. This could be a great thread if we stay away from the bullcuckolds brownie political crap and flames.

Please post your TRUE stories about how you and your wives got into doing this, keep it real and truthful, please.

And Xander, keep us posted.
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Let us know what happens.

In regards to porn, it's been my experience that women don't like it when a man shows them porn or makes them watch it. But having her discover it on her own to watch while you're not there is a good idea. Just don't make it too obvious.

Meeting them in the coffee shop isn't so bad. You can pretty much narrow it down by having them send pictures and have her call them before you meet. Beware of time wasters, guys that just want to collect pics or collect stories, etc. There is a lot of that out there. Just send two or three short emails, exchange pictures, have her call and then meet. People are usually different in permister.

But that's all in the future, for right now, you've got to butter her up, get her romantic and horny, turn down the lights, watch that sexy movie about the husband watching, and be sure to tell her that it would turn you on.

Keep us posted.
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riske ... u make me laugh. u're serious as hell when it comes to cuckoldry (makes believe all the rest is absolutely irrelevant). okay! in respect to our friend who started the post, ok! I guess it's not an unpatriotic act to deliver his wife to an immigrant (legal or not)
lol
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bumpsie......
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