latent homosexuality

Somone expressed this opinion in another thread, and I thought it an accurate enough observation to warrent its own topic.

The numerous men on this site and off it who desire to be denied heterosexual intercourse, to be powerd into bisexual/homosexual activity (i.e. crossdressing, oral/anal sex, cum eating etc.) are LATENT HOMOSEXUALS. There are more marriages that exist for show than one might think. Men and women marry to hide their homosexuality from others, and more importantly FROM THEMSELVES.
I'm not going to issue a blanket statement of the kind that I've seen elsewhere on this site, generalizing every man who does "x" as a homosexual, or say that "you faggot ass queers should go to a fag site" or something equally dense. I don't think we're able to draw really distinct lines over things like this. Sexual preference and inclination is a very complicated and convoluted issue. I will say however, that I see a lot of men here who look as if they could benefit by just coming out of the closet and admitting to their wives, their "bulls" (read: homosexual lovers) and THEMSELVES that they are GAY. That's right. GAY.

One last thing. If reading this makes you wonder "Is he talking about me?" then the answer is: YES. I am talking about you. Own up to what you are. If to no one else, then to yourself. You'll be a lot happier.

my guess is that every human is partly homosexual
stupid questions dont exist...
stupid answers however....

Why is it such a concern to you, or are you hidding somthing!!!!

I don't understand what all the fuss is about??? I know my husband is a sissy femme at heart, He loves to be dressed up and paraded around as femme as could be. Sissy Jess is what I call him and yes I do think sissy is more Gay then not or at least sissy would have been better off born a woman. I myself embrace sissies femme side and do enjoy the relationship we have even though sometimes when I think about it too much, the gay thing worries me. Why? because I think about all the marriages the break up becaues of one of the couple wants to be gay. Then when I really think about what we have in our relationship I settle down and embrace my sissy for who she is and thank god that I HAVE HER. Acceptence is a big part of a couple being married, along with honesty and openness, and for the most part listening to our partners and willingness to persue what makes everyone happy. Jess tells me all the time that she loves our relationship and would never trade it. this leads me to believe that there are men out there who long to be femme and sissies and gay who want a woman controlling these feelings they really are it adds to their offense. It's part of what they need and want its a fine line we walk in a world where you have to be classified as gay or straight. Why cant we just be happy as we are and who our sissy, gay, straight, bi, crossdressing husbands are. ... Just my two cents.... Jeanne
I have finally decided to take control (total) and have sissy in panties daily lock sissy in her CB 6000s for good. No more feeling sorry after a few weeks and no more giving into her pleas for mercy! Welcome the NEW MISTRESS!

everyman

If you read what I write here, I think you'll know that I pretty much agree that most but not all cucks are, whether they think they are or not. I don't judge that, simply don't care. I ask the question because "what is" intrigues me.

The notion of gayness doesn’t occur to many married cucks. Strange as it sounds, they are often “manly” like in all other than the private side of the marriage. But within the safe private piece of marriage, they start to gravitate towards a somewhat darker side, in order to satisfy their inner reality. Denying what others may perceive to be their orientation is another reality for many. Fine, who cares about lables?

As to your argument that many “could benefit by just coming out of the closet,” to what end? Would it make them or their partner happy? Doubt it.

Bulls gay? perhaps some are. This bull is not, nor have I ever met one.But again, I wouldn’t deny they are out there. Look, my focus is on the hot wife. My cuck is not in any sense my lover. Other than the mental piece, I permisterally derive no sensual/sexual pleasure from interactions with a cuck.

So I get a kick out of fucking some guy’s wife, with his knowledge, perhaps in front of him. I have no interest in a sexual relationship with him………Is that clear?

Believe it or not there are many women who like being married to a homosexual man, my wife does. We both know I am homosexual and she is straight, but it makes for a good relarionship. She really likes men and a straight man would become jealous when she has sex with another man. I dont get jealous, i just want to watch when they allow it...

i agree with luvpain ( givn the right situation)
and bulls are...definatly
any one who wants anothr man to suck thier cock?...hello...well that is definatly...

vry complex issue

my husband likes both genders, so what?
stupid questions dont exist...
stupid answers however....

so what if im married and i dream of sharring her with another man or woman?
so i like a side of cock with the pussy. maybe i want to be treated like a woman.
why should it bother anyone?
why should anyone care?
should it bother me if you think im gay?
i know what i like and what i want. dosnt mean i need to advertise it. maybe i keep it quiet because i dont want attention.
people can be to judgemental.
Timmy

SO what is real about the labels?

Perhaps a cuck’s reality is purely nominal and beyond the reach of our phenomenal consciousness, thereby being inherently unknowable.

I'm all for ownership of who I am, and expect the same of others...but if they don't know, don't understand, or don't care...


joranc

Cucks don't suck my dick......

There is a HUGE pressure from many in the gay community that there is no such thing as Bisexual. Talk about not being open to diversity! I myself am bisexual. I have been told by gay men that I HAVE to be gay. This patantly is not the case.

I enjoy being married to a woman. I do not enjoy that type of feeling with a man and have never ever had such. I don't want to cuddle with a man and I don't want to be emotionally involved with a man other than as a friend.

What I do enjoy is sharing a cock with my wife from time to time. It's about the mental pleasure I get from watching her and helping some. I don't differentiate sexual play is all. If the other man is up to it, we will do a few thing s together. If not, then we won't.

I have been fucked by a cock, sucked a guys cock and had a guy suck my cock. I have eaten pussy while it's been fucked and never once hesitated to either eat or fuck a creampie. This happened because it was a turn on for all involved!

I consider "gay" wanting the same type of relationship that my wife and I have between two people of the same sex. I just don't have those types of feelings for men... I adore having sex with a woman but occasionally I like a little change of pace.

My wife agrees when I say I'm about 90/10 90% of the time I want to have sex with a woman. About 10% of the time I want a cock. That too is a clue... I want the cock, not the guy. I do have to be friends with the guy but it's not "him" that turns me on as would be the case with a gay man.

cds010101
Yes, bi, I sure do run into many who think the same.

Clinically as fact 90% of people are bisexual, what we call homosexuality and heterosexuality are in a way almost a form of sexual OCD

The branding and push of the term gay or homosexual in society is relatively new, a phenomena of the industrial era, Boys being raised exclusively by women with absent man figures.

While there has always been men predisposed to having a feminine sexuality, this is entirely different then what we call Gay today, there is simply no genetic or hormonal marker that makes a man lisp or like judy garland... this is a purely psychological phenomena a showing of a deep rooted anger at women, the mockery of women is what we largely label and compromises homosexual culture.

Most of the men in here want to actually resemble women if they cross, shemales actually want to become women, this is different becasue while the behavior is similar these men actually love and admire women, to a degree of empathy and emulation

In a way you could say both types are gay and look only at the surface but the reality goes fare deeper, many of these men in here derive satisfaction from bonding and empathy with women... in essence they are still heterosexual or bi if you will but definitely not Gay

Frankly while it is the extreme of political incorrectness, I would say that Gayness is a mental disorder, while male male sexual activity can be entirely natural either from this form of empathy that certain men share or via the natural process of dominance and presentation that all males go through daily, a very alpha male WILL generate submissive sexual feelings from almost all much smaller males, primister shows that to us clearly.

While this all revolves around questions of male male sexual activity I think at heart we all know why some people hate the term applied to them... Gay culture as we know it in modern society can be genuinely repulsive to many people and has it's roots and mannerisms in an unhealthy process, straight men or bi me or cross dressers or any other forms of sexuality are repulsed by the association, in fact many men who are "gay" in the current cultural sense hate "faggots" and even themselves prefer to hook up with straight men.


The key determination of "gay" is a Love for men, sexual acts are the natural path of dominant and submissive normal male interaction, a Male that has a more aggressive alpha male attempting to mate with his mate in almost any mammal will offer it's rear in presentation, it will also lick clean the female when the alpha leaves to remove it;s sperm as best it can to avoid her becoming pregant, the sexual desires of most Cucks... fall VERY SPECIFICALLY in to this type of behavior, it is completely understandable that a beta male who feels sexual to another male ONLY under these very specific circumstances of her interaction with a more endowed rival... would naturally Hate to be called "Fag" which for all intents and purposes is a grave social insult for while people "tolerate" homosexuals the hard truth is, most people get very uncomfortable around them

Male Male play and dom sub behavior is the Mammillian NORM, Homosexuality " A LOVE of Men" is not, whatever the exact cause of homosexuality is, most of the men in here can not be classified as such, dressed in drag with a dildo up their ass and sucking a cock for all intentsand puirposes LOL looks as Gay as possible from a sexual perspective, but what is lacking is the desire to cuddle, raise a family, fall in Love and so on... these men for the most part love women

Now I am Not saying there aren't a load of men who are latent that vist there surely are, they could use some psychotherapy quite honestly, it is a terrible fascade, to be Gay would be in reality a much easier life, whatever the cause of homosexuality as we know it, the bottom of a gay couple can actually live life as bitch, feel loved and be taken care of as oppossed to suffer continuously.

Also what I see happen is that alot of men who are mostly tapping into dormant natural sub dom sexual responses get convinced they are gay by those that lack any kind of in depth understanding of male sexuality, this is probably extremely harmful and demoralizing to them and their loved ones, the sex acts could be labeled homosexual but they themselves are NOT homosexual, the uprooting of the entire developmental psychology of their lives is what follows, worse these men could find themselves alon for being misunderstood in a fairly dangerous and lonely world of true homosexuals, fitting in niether here nor there, for these men a true look at presentation and understanding of the root cause of the underlying sexual desires they have is needed, not an assault agaionst their sexuality, these are human lives, dynamic and different and the human mind and it's intelligence coming to terms with it's natural instincts can create some very strange behavior indeed, that however does not mean it should be Grossly labeled inacurately leading to genuine consequences that would surely be wrong and harmful for those people.

When it comes to this particular topic, which i understand in great detail... I permisterally always try to gather all the information possible and be sensitive and work from a place of intellect not street language or machismo, people in this position are highly sensitive, Love women, but yet experience sexual desires that lable them, it can be extremely distressing countless men have lost their families and plenty of others have committed suicide... from a simple comment like "Fag" which while sexually and simplified may sound correct but is extremely far from the truth, I permisterally don't like to say things in ways which could ruin another human beings life because in the end, I am not in their shoes... sometimes a man insisting he is straight is latent, most of the time he is a Beta Cuck a submissive which is despite similar sexual positioning at certain times only... a very different thing...

Men bring their wives here, many of them genuinely love those women and are themselves trying to grasp an undertsanding of what is going on, words and attacks can destroy lives when entirely inaccurate

So B careful K? Somewhere tonight some submissive hetero sexuals wife will read this somwhere in America, if he has a home tomorrow and she has a real understanding might hang on the words in here, divergent sexualities are traumatic enough for most people without grossly inaccurate opinions.


And hey , I don't mention it much... going for a Doctorate in the field... Words have alot of power use them wisely

the definition of homosexuality/bisexuality is being atracted sexually or emotionally towards people of the same gender.
I dont understand the problem towards that concept. If two women make out, all men get horny, suddenly when two guys do the same, every body is disgusted. Sounds weird to me.
stupid questions dont exist...
stupid answers however....

We are both bisexual and don't see what the problem really is here - if something gives us both pleasure, we don't see that labels are needed. Sex is there to give us pleasure and if that is seeing my sissy husband given safe A, and it turns me on, and I don't see that a label would make it any better or worse. Rosie eats cum because he enjoys it, not because he is made to do it, although he loves the fact that I arrange his men friends to meet on a swingers' site and this turns him on immensely. He is bisexual but is the best husband I could ever have as there are no secrets between us. He came out as a TV as soon as we were married and it has become part of our lives, and not something thrown into a dark recess of his life. How many men want to 'come out' of being a TV but do not trust their wive's to understand, when given half a chance, the woman would prefer to be told the truth and then try to live with it. We don't tell the rest of our family as it is not their concern but live happily going to buy lingerie for each other. He wears a CB3000 because he likes to give me the option of controlling his orgasms and when we have sex together - this is a mutual agreement and one that gives us pleasure/frustrations in equal quantities. I have not actually cucked him as it is not something I want to do as I get all the pleasure I want from him even though I have free range to take a lover. I enjoy eating pussy and Rosie, my slut, loves to see my tongue up a nice pussy and giving a woman a nice time. Pleasure is not something that needs, nor seeks labels to make it work - it just does. If I do something that does not give me pleasure, I do not do it again no matter if is something everyone else finds pleasure in, as pleasure is unique to that individual's reactions and boundaries. I applaud you bringing up the topic for discussion and am glad to see that everyone is being open and honest about their feelings.
Mistress Karen and rosie

this is really all I meant by my post. being honest with yourself is better than fabricating some elaborate excuse to engage in types of activity that you would otherwise be too ashamed to pursue.

I am in agreement with you, I was married, was cucked, desired to be. Now looking back over that time it was wrong, my ex wanted a marriage - the breakup was terrible. This idea of lying to yourself - it's pointless - at the time I believed I was straight, I had no idea that I could be happy, let's be clear - excited - by another man. The sissy route was the way I found out, for quite some time I could only enjoy sex with a man as a sissy. I even began to think of taking the transsexual route, the drive of sexuality is powerful, when blocked, like a mighty river, it's natural course is changed. The dams are society's expectations, close family expectations. Now I still find the idea of cucking exciting, but the stories power me to be me, I can be fre of guilt in such a fantasy. However it can be very damaging, it was for me, so I agree with you. But the insight required was beyond me, and cruel experience, a lot of sad introspection was needed to see the truth of what you say. The result is a slow disappearance of the sissy side, something akin to pride in a masculinity that loves masculinity, and that is for me likely to be the route to fullfilment.

Just one small point. Permisterally I'd never argue from the standpoint of authority - if you really have to say you are doing it for a doctorate, well good for you, but it's just a thesis, it doesn't deny other peoples experience, anymore than mine denys anyone elses.

Faggots, queers, sissys, all perjorative terms. I like to think of the three hundred spartans - lovers - standing there against the Persian army, Faggots? queers? Actually the greatest most masculine warriors of their time.

It's also a question of admiration for, or even WORSIP of the stud, who is so much more superior to the cuckold husband!
This worship entails bootlicking, cocksucking & arse licking, the husband knelt before the stud, watched by his wife, the cuck in submissive & passive, allowing his wife's lover to do WHATEVER he wants to with him--- using & mode, the husband being a***ing all the while--- & if the stud & husband belong to different races, so much more exciting as the stakes are raised, as there could be a "racial" slant to the offense!!

damian70

Wow, that piece really got me thinking.....and it seems the last few posts have clarified quit nicely some different views. But then, I see lots of commonality as well.

snogwatcher

Can be plenty of this play w/o sex or a sexual attraction on my part.

luvpain


Good point, one of my fantasies is a cracking a couple of female lovers. Didn't happen yet, but I have asked........

Female Bi's of course are simple to do.

SNOGWATcarbonsmudgeR::::

I have wondered, long wondered about the racial slant. It's my guess that most don't go beyond pictures, or video clips. A safe wank fantasy. What are my credentials? - in a way it doesn't matter, but I don't speak without experience == esp of the safe wank fantasy. Did it start with the Rocky Horror Show? Hell I knew then I wanted to be fucked by an acceptably womanly thing with (vital) a prick. The weakness of the white male -- what a fantstic myth!!!! The archytypal white male is fantastic - cool, inteligent, wealthy, and when it comes to violence, we can be. What role does the BBC play - myth, in my bizzare travels, I've spoken with TV/TS escorts, who agree skinny white guys take a lot of beating, not to forget sucking, fondling and fucking. So what is the role? It is just to insult your masculinity. Here I go back to theme of the thread, pride, why not be a happy gay man? --- Yes it's difficult to admit too, very hard to see, but if that's you - well it's you. Being a sissy guy is sad, wishing to be humilated is sad, feeling so in need of degredation to excite oneself is best taken as an indicator of issues. Do you want to suck that big black cock????? The probable truth is you do. Do you want to taste a real man's cum -- albeit from your wife's pussy -- get real, how do you think she feels about that? If she has to take a lover, it's not for your fantasy, yes you can have a load of wanks, but she will do it for her, chances are it will be a white man, a man who can, who romances her, who is not everthing you are not, probably very like yourself, but one who is excited by the sight of a cunt, by a woman, unlike you --- you want to power her to fulfill your fantasy, your need, to be gay, but without responsibilty -- it's your fantasy to suck black cock -- why black? Because your whiteness is beyond your control. it's just another layer of denial -- go suck a few cocks. I did.

Reading the obsessive compulsive crap of wannabe, probably will be doctor who gives a fuck, ICD & DSM took homosexuality off thier list, you want to put it back? Is your great revalation, your fantastic insight into human sexuality that a man can be attracted to both men and women? Well, I'd give you the title of doctor of the screamingly obvious, your contribution to humanity is less than zero, if you were not trying to add scientific authority to your prejudice I would not care, but to insult gay men and women by saying they are OCD is ---- are you a Christian??? I think the very fact you bother to write a thesis on it is evidence of your own OCD.

Well flames and posts, troll and other such I guess will follow, but if you want to follow that path, be prepared to tread in my footsteps, be prepared to post as I do. I can't warn of wrongness of what you do, all I do is advise that the very fact you are at the start point, means (if you are lucky) you'll arrive at this end point.

Well, I do understand why a hompsexual would not like to have the term labeled a disorder, people are prejudiced and no one likes to be labeled, and with that said the opposite end of the arguments hold true.

To the best of my knowledge and study 90% of the human race is BISEXUAL, Male and Female. Truely pure Homo or Hetero sexuals are by far in the minority, the amoount of bisexuality is on a bell curve from touched it once in school to once a week be it jsyt fantasy or the real thing The majority of us do at the least sometimes fantasize about the same sex, the desire or willingness to express it does not make a permister Gay.

Complicated, not really people particularly Homosexuals and purely heterosexuals like to see the world in Black and White, to Label things singularly as this reflects who they are.

Science however is Fact, most sex talk is opinion.

So many times since the 60's be it Feminism or sex in general, The Minority Homosexual Voice rises ... as it is here Loudly to state it's OPINION as fact, that opinion almost a;ways being extremely slanted to the Homosexual point of view...

I'm sorry Paranoid Heteros and Opinionated homosexuals but Most of us... aren't like you, not every guy that is curious is Gay, very few people are actually Gay

To be Homosexual your desires would need to be exclusive to the same sex... mine deifinitely are far the opposite of that i'd say 80% hetero 20% other

What is really, really sad, is that a group like the Gay community that has suffered so much could wear the same blinkers as the Hetero sexual population did, when you hook people up and track their vimister or monitor sexual response MOST PEOPLE ELICIT SOME RESPONSE FOR BOTH SEXES... period it's not really debateable

What I am readin is a Homosexual population doing what it does everywhere... In this Culture and this Culture ONLY... dominating the discusion because apparently once your a part fo Queer nation you know everything there is to know about sex...

Someone mentioned the Spartans... ah Yeah, doyou think anyone on Earth refered to them as Gay? Ever? Jus because they held the status women do today of respect for masculine beauty, admiration for their own sex... another poster got it right... women don't go through this BS, why> because they are currently the dominant sex..

Men mostly inthe States are Allowed absolutely zerofreedom of sexual expression without being labeled Gay... Alot of DL brothers Are NOT gay, alot of Cucks are not Gay alot of Bulls are not Gay... if you wish to say Bi go right ahead, but even that I think is way to general.

Homosexuals and Heterosexuals... both Do have...maybe OCD is the wrong way to put it... Tunnel Vision in regards to theoir own sexuality, permisteralities that simply Have to categorize everyone else...

In the process, everyone else looses, Spartans is the Perfect example!!!! Spartans did not lisp, spartans did not shake their hips, Spartans did not practice a gross exageration of womens characteristics...which is Purely PSYCHOLOGICAL and CULTURAl

ABull Gay? No D O M I N A N T, a real man, man enough as many Black men seem to be to not question their sexuality iof their manliness makes another man feel submissive

The Stigma of Homosexuality as dominated and Carried in the form of a torch by the community via their behavior and mannerisms is a gigantic Stigama the other 90% of us men do every and anything in our power to avoid being labeled as, what we get is the DEMASCLATION of the entire Male population, men who dress like cuckolds brownie are afraid to admire each other are afraid to try or engage in sexual questioning of any sort. The American male has in many ways become something SO NOT SPARTAN due to it's inherent fear of being grouped in with a very small minority of men that particularly among white American males... these guys are sooooo sexually repressed and dull and rigid that women do go Black

And as a guy that can admire a man and not be Gay... I'll say this, I respect that about alot of Black Men, they have real confidence, no one will be calling the average Black Bull a "Fag" to his face, LOL because they will get bent over and fucked in the ASS and not as an act of Love making which would be Gay... but as an act of DOMINANCE... I'm top dog bend over or get your ass whooped...

That is the nature of almost ALL MAMMALs, it is 100% natural, it is the behavior of the majority of males in any species, and it is NOT in anyway related to what we know of and what rules our sexuality as Homosexual

If Cucks were mostly Gay they would want Gay men... they Do Not they desire straight men... so in fact do the bulk of homosexuals many of whom are brainwashed as are straight men on the other end into enacting a False Role that is easy for a small portion of people to comprehend and live by

I will say this again, these behavior we see in Cucks... liocking a creampie, this is what a beta male does in all else of Nature as an attempt to Displace the Rivals Sperm it is a survival and breeding tactic... the same gfoes for ass in the air and genital stimulation, this is Submission, this is Not being an Alpha and Fighting to the Death over a mate but in fact survival

What is homosexuality... I shouldn't label it either, that is wrong of me, the real truth is it is a relatively NEW phenomena or a phenomena that has grown dramatically over the last couple of centuries, for most of human History about 30,000 of 36,000 or so years we date the Genome women played through sex not unlike the bonobno chimps, male sub mate and matings with Alpha males... for the bulk of the other 6,000 years under a male dominated set of cultures, The Spartan viwe of male sexuality was by far the norm... one man had many females... and the other guys were dominated out and yes that included bending them over

There were through history feminine men, or transgender, but in almost all acounts the behavior was more that of a cross dresser... Bi they EMULATEd women.. with a desire to match the FEMALE experience of presentation...to be Female, Homosexualioty as we know it in our culture, it is simply by and large something else, that typical Gay mannerisms are socially odd and not a reflection of women but for the bottom pareticularly an obvious mockery of women, that there is a psychological anger at women not love of women present ..mostly in the up in arms activist gay community is very obvious and MEN don't wish to be associated with it and many have become cultural imbeciles due to that fact

Homosexuality and Heterosexuality in pure form... is Rare and that's it... the only thing I see in some of these posts is the fact that there are alot of Homosexuals that come here and as Usual Gay American men think they are the and all and be all of sexual experience...

It's your experience guys, I know the Gay community has suffered but your allowed freedom of expression... don't turn around and be like Hoovers FBI treatwed you guys and assume that every man that has a fantasy or wants to explore is Gay like you... the VAST Majority of men are not.

Straight men have the same right as straight women and everyone else... to explore their sexuality, to View sex as beautiful, to desire as Tantra teaches to explore sex from their partners POV... to actually maybe have a hope of UNDERSTANDING, what it is like to be a woman with out being labeled a Homosexual for life

Guys Have you ever heard the raw shame and real brain damage alot of hetero guys in here feel over very natural desires... the sheer number of guys, so ashamed and afraid to express simple curiousity or admiration for...or even Admit another man is physically superior... some of these guys jump at the chance to be.... castrated, really and genuinely used...the shame, the horrible shame of thousands of user who will never even drop an opinion or post...

Shame, Shame on the Homosexual community after what you guys have been put through the previous century to enact what in the end amounts to the crushing of Male culture in western civilization, 2 wrongs don't make a right..

None of this on the race end is about Revenge nor is it about Homosexuality, so many oprdinary guys must come here and all they want is to see their wives play out their natural mating game...for her pleasure, or to experience the other side or torelax and be a real Man and be able to say.,..wow those guys have great dicks... without being called Queer for it... simple expression of sexuality, natural instincts, dominance and presentation, the dance of mating as it really is in nature is the Majority of cucking either via Bulls or Cucks...

Homosexuals need to STOP trying to dominate Male sexuality in general, I am sorry I used "disorder" it's who you are, just give the same respect people are at least trying to give you, don't break womens hearets who have husbands that really, really just wish to see them hyper stimulated or are Honest enough and strong enough to say hey...She is the sexually dominant of the two of us, I can't keep up...

It's as BRAVE for these men to stand in the face of socially contrived bs and say hey...this isn't natural or right for my wom,an she has aditional needs I can plau a submissive role and enjoy this... as it was for Homosexuals in the 50's to stand up and say we are here and we are queer

Almost every Gay man knows what coming out of the closet was like, painful, misunderstood, TRAUMATIC... why the heck would you put men, who are simply desiring to play their natural role in sexuality as Bull or Cuck the same freedom to do so without branding them.

It is NOT and insult to Homosexulaity if men who are Bi or whatever do not wish to or are very insulted if called Gay, becase that can and will ruin their lives in many cases

Once there was a time when all the statues and objects were made in honor of men and masculine beauty was respected, it would not at all in thos Spartan times be considered queer if you felt a sense of...something you liked, when admiring the physique and stregnths of a man... just like today, Wome as strippers and pin ups are literally worshipped...

No One Group, Male, Female or Gay has the right to dominate the sexual landscape in this manner and yes women do it to...good for the goose but not the gander, lick all the pussy you want, show women as strong powerful and sexy but a Man does it...he is Gay... and this is also DOMINANCE, sexual dominance which the Gay community is constantly trying to usurp anyway they can... and that is wrong it's what a percent or so of the population?

Don't assume the whole world is in denial if YOUR GAY... Gay again I will say it over and over... GAY is an EXTREME MINORITY, don't enroll people in sexuality, it's use, the same kind of use homosexuals are used to absorbing... it's WRONG

Does alot of this seem Gay? YES Do alot of men that have these fantasies get pushed into a belief they are homosexual? Yes When in sex play does the sub or Cuck seem extremely more desiring of the Bull in most Cases then the Woman? very often YES

And that is called Sexual Repression the EXTREME buildup of a fantasy or simple desire over years into an Obsession because it is held in such shame for so long... and the repression is Homosexual repression... it's repression od Submissive tendencies, BY FAR Homosexuals nowadays are unafraid to come out of the closet compared to.. Cucks and submissive men... and By FAR there are more essentially staright men witjh sub tendencies then there are Gay men in the world...

A man who dresses like a woman is A CROSSDRESER... a Man who tries to Become a Woman is a TRANSEXUAL... A Man who desires to sexually Submit to a dominant male is a CUCKOLD, A Man who desires to dominate another Man for his wife is a BULL... NONE OF THESE SEXUAL TYPES ARE GAY OR HETEROSEXUAL, they are exactly what there names describe...

People need to Stop think that there sexuality is the Sexuality, thank the creator you believe in that we are blessed with such variewty of human sexual behavior and leave people free to explore and define there SUBTYPE without being FORCED or COERCED by SOCIAL SYSTEMS that seek to make sexuality something this it is not... and sexuality is NOT SIMPLE, it is a complex thing regulated by genetics, hormones, social situations, psychology and Love all intertwined into a very, very diverse world

So Just stop being so damned ignorant and pay attention to the world around you not just the reamisters you do what you do with your Dicks... I have a Great time role playing sexuality, I enjoy submitting sometimes, I am MAN enough to know when another man is special and don't feel like a queer for saying so, I can admit to a very natural urge when I see a woman show the signs of arousal for a dominant man....I feel Empathy, desire to understand, I take great pleasure in her pleasure be it psychological in experiencing pleasure without having to cheat and lie to me as a man she loves, or from being able to engage in sex play without retarded homo phobic action.... Have you ever seen two homophobes do athreesome with a woman?

It's a horror... any spot the other guy touches is off limits LOL, any cum and it's run for it... so, so, so... demeaning and unfulfilling and dirty for HER, why can't she Be allowed to enjoy two men on her privates at once as we do with women? A little sub/cuck behavior and that 3 some becomes an intense sexual experience, in which she feels powerful accepted and fulfilled by the experience of being taken as nature made things to be...

I can enjoy making a woman feel powerful, I cam enjoy the intensity of a Bull who has lived a natural sexuality and been the Alpha male he is sexually by nature and I can accept submision for what it is and enjoy it and never be demeaned into thinking that that is gay...

And NEVER have I wanted to kiss a man, never am I in public scoping men, never will I dance with a man or Love a Man or want to cuddle with a man... or ever hang oit with guys supressing any form of gay desire..

Because this fantasy isn't gay... I Adore women, desire to know them on every level including from a sexual pov, I can derive pleasure from playing MY SEXULAITY ad Nature intended my role to be... a nothing about it is GAY

The moment I ever feel an Iota of a desire to hold a man in my arms or find myself walking down the street and scoping men I will grab a rainbow sticker from the nearest store and join the parade

And, I don't see that happening if after all these years I have not felt a single such urge... Women are amazing sexually...they blow us out of the water sexually in terms of both capacity and desire, I have no problem submitting because... the Bull can't please her by himself either... the 2 of us together... often can do that job and often it takes...even more... for her to feel her true sexual potential.

And A REAL MAN can look at another man and say wow...what a Man and not be ashamed , feel a submisive response because the guy is just that Alpha... Gay men, many will just Fuck..any damn guy, trust me, I remember pre aids seeing t-shirts that said things like "500 Man Party" and the like... a Cuck has NO desire, at leats the majority I have interviewed and myself to any "typical guy" the desire is Only to submit to Males that are obviously waaaaaaaaaayyyy above the spectrum of ordinary masculinity, natural Alphas, men with extreme Testosterone...and Masculinity that they by nature...feel like a woman a bit when compared to, they are men that can FEEL...the females response and it triggers something

So you go home if it's your sexuality and be Gay... Love and desire men... that's great, Be YOU, come here for the reamister you do...the Cock and the Cock Only... as a submissive My desire comes from the Cock...AND iot's effect on the FEMALE, seeing a woman I adore in a way I might not be able to see her... and that's not because of sissiness or low endowment... as a MATE or HUSBANBD... I am not Scary, or exciteing after a time, she might not feel taken or feel like she is being pursied anymore... when this happens to a woman, honestly alot of them start to die inside, for me, I want my woman healthy, I want her body to know she is still in the game, I want her to feel her sexuality and be confident and secure, if cleaning her up is an assurance that I approve and frees her of GUILT of her natural desires to accomplish that...I'll lick away, If helping the BULL makes him feel dominant and he has a stronger Male aggressiveness that pleases her and shocks her into passion...YEAH!!! I like that that... Because I Lovwe her... and being a part of that, and knowing how she feels... is a BOND that can be incredibly strong between m,arried partners, an acceptance that is truely romantic and a sexuality that is healthy and keeps her young and vibrant and energetic and.... BEAUTIFUL because she still desires to be SEXY and I get the benefits of that more than any Bull ever will

So don't call Cucks gay... because there are Latents in here or because you are secretly gay... don't make Men feel so shameful of the natural process of dominance and presentation that a Whole Culture almost of White Men are dying under the sheets as a result

Why do White Wome like Black men... Because alot of them are not Ashamed of who they are regardless of what anyone says, they have always been outside the culture... when a sub goes down...alot of them have pride as men and they become more masculine and confident, they have Pride in themselves, they are being admired and thanked and wanted by those they might have thought hated them... because violence very often replaces repressed deires, it's not the cock or the color, it's the thing that alot of White Males lack due to an innordiante fear of being lared Gay.... CONFIDENCE IN THEIR SEXUALITY

I am white and I have taken Years...to understand in the face of a society that thinks SEX is literally Black and White... Why would I do a Thesis... to HELP poor misters of bitches who have allowed society to take the natural order of dominance and presentation in nature and PERVERT it into TWO Ideologies which represent 2% of the population, the other 98% of us...SUFFER from living a damned lie... women are...frigid and can't Orgasm..half of them because they NEVER get enough sex to be.... vigorous that way...from One Man... Bulls, dominant Males, particularly Black men end up becomiong or replacing desires...with Violence to cover up nature and Rot in Jail, Sub males, hide away their fantasies until they are pathalogical and obsessed and absolutely seem queer when they are not... marrages fail, families are ruotured strife in the majority of domestic relations in the black and White Communities...80% divorce rates... because women that behave naturally are Sluts... and Bulls and Cucks are Gay... only by the hands of TWO limited populations of human sexuality that represent almost no one by comparrimister

Almost everyone is Bi or has some form of fetish or varient sexual nature that is NOT homo or hetero... Queens spend a heck of alot of time trying to say thi gs like Bisexual doesn't exist when it's the majority of people, thwere is NO argument to be made against that, that is in any way valid, we have been studying this for along, long time now... the mating dance is what it is...

Gay pride is great...strop beating the cuckolds brownie out of everyone else though...your the rare commodity...not the rest of us, br proud of the struggle you had to go trhough and let all the rest of us out of our individual closets... are Cucks and Bulls Staright...NO, but they mostly aren't Gay either

SUB AND DOM... That's most of us and it changes depending on who your standing next to at the moment... IF suddenly a group of humans appeared that were Green and really muscular and athletic with ginourmous 18 inch average dicks... alot of BBC guys would suddenly find themselves feeling the urges when that BGC came near their wives... and that is IT... Nature...

Is Gay however actually natural? I dont' know...

wow..... i agree almost completly with your elephantine lowdown on
pride and self acceptance, damian.
even the gay bull part..lol

this point is vry important i, to understand in order to progress.



realy? or is that presupposition


ty eveyyman btw

Exactly my point a man isn't allowed any experience in his sexuality in western caucasian culture... other than the absolute norm as defined by a very small percentage of absolute heteros that... remind me of a hamster I once had that hold onto her food in a corner against all comers, possesive and strangling... a purpose in nature for a small percentage holding a mate with absolue fervor we can be sure, varied mating startegies assure a species survival,but just one small obsessive way they chose to enpower on everyone as a Law where no such law exists juts like thta hamster stole every other hamsters food until they starved.

An who on earth gave homosexuals the rule over all cocks and what you are when you look at one, I mean... the most asinine assumtion that because a single similar act is eprformed the motivations and reamisters and desires are the same as yours... I constantly hear from the community Bisexuals Don't exist... when every darn study I have seen or been a part of shows clearly that most of us are BI, I have done marketing studies tracking eye movement and just laughed uproariously in the back as big macho guys eyes wander off the teleproptyer to every cock that passes by...

And the biggest joke, the Most homophobic men show the HIGHEST arousal when viewing gay porn... I would Love to see how may Gay men actually DO respond to women under the same tests, i'd bet it's alot higher then theyb would ever let on in questioning

LOL I know I go on huh? sorry for so many typos that just flew off me... I mead jeesh I Love women.... unbelieveably, too much perhaps?

So sick of the bs fears... downlow brother Gay, white men sissies dang stop destroying peoples self esteem, let men have some emotional intelligence maybe they we can have some happy women out there, it's just sex, I could get off on a stuffed toy if I was horney enough what does that mean I'm a fluffy...

I mean I just listen to some guys and by learning sy to myself... Jesus, this guy is f'd up from some very basic normal dom and sub rutines that where laid down in the reptillian center of their brain...100's of Millions of years ago... what does color have to do with dominance... ask one fo the lizards with the big colorfulfrills while he bends over another lizard...

Men in locker rooms or jail LOL, I mean just look at them they all play the dom and sub game...they just mask it as violence.

The effect and feeling in RL has NEVER happened to me in a one on one male situation ever, it is triggered by the three responses her flush and eye widening on the sight of the alpha his posture and size and yeah the Big cock thing shows dominance, a really Alpha male causes submissive feelings in smaller men and he also has dominant feelings for them, ever see brothers in a locker room or jail looking at smaller white guys LOL, are they Gay...or will they even act on it...most wont but the small guys always cut Gym and get the F out of there... ever notice that?

Little guys stay the hell away from big onee in these situation because they can feel it, they are close to being hunted and mounted lol...or just beat the cuckolds brownie out of... but it's the same urge and it's not what we define as gay or latent it's territoral in nature

And yeah...women get the heck off on it... it sucks and thats why the term Bitch is so common, and forgiveness so needed by men in relationships...there is a part of her that as much as she loves you, after some time or espeially a young or too...she is dying to have you pushed aside and be taken by some other natural, and here comes this new other colored beast of a different tribe... and it gets him off too, taking your territory via dominance...that's not what homosexuality revolves around... Gay is just something else entirely... a reversal? or the typical insticts... I don't know, I don't think anyone knows...

Trust people to know themselves, most guys say they aren't gay...they aren't gay... there is little need for that kind of charade... good lord, how much easier life is in some ways without the whole mating game... alot of benefits to being gay in modern times...financially and so on... you are by and large protected... why the heck would a permister insist on explaining all this to a wife and dealing with this cuckolds brownie... if he was gay, LOL grab some Meth and head to the nearest bathouse... plenty O cock without needing a woman and no one bats an eye...

K not getting elephantine... shouldn't even use that word... someone will think the refrence to trunk is some freudian homo thing...

But... Spartans...lol yeah presupposition, some things history can't show us, but lol come on, I know alot of guys that did hard time, and what they are like, Black and White...Alpha, fuck a lil guy in a heart beat... Dominant, high stimulation factor, huge adrenaline lust, and the nearest horse if it's int heir way better run because they will mount it woithout a saddle...

Brother call each other DOG alot... in that sums up that whole damn huge argument I made

as if a gay or a bisexual isnt a real man?
Thats really a thought that adds to this discussion.
stupid questions dont exist...
stupid answers however....

damian70

It's about definition. If there is a generally accepted clinical definition of gayness...I haven’t seen it.

My definition is clearly different then damian70 and others here, should I care about that? Don’t think I will.

As I read and think about this, it occurs to me that perhaps cucks having homoerotic desires have as a under laying trigger some misogyny? But that is likely a different thread.

As to the Spartans, I sent some time studying them during my military times.

The Spartan army was not noted in any historical source that I am aware of as being in any way made up of what could be called "homosexual couples". Young warriors were mentored by older veterans, forming very strong attachments between them. It is probable that a portion of those attachments included sexual attachment, which was not looked down upon in that society but accepted as normal. The ancient Greeks, as a whole, had no particular problem with homosexual acts, but would not tolerate homosexual lifestyles. What is special about Greek homosexuality is its apparent prevalence, the appreciation of aspects of masculinity in the other partner and the almost total damnatio memoriae suffered by the phenomenon until recent decades. And then, the Greeks were living before either a sin or medical model of homosexuality and while aware of differing inclinations did not consider these important enough to establish a separate social category

Spartan Army? There is absolutely no historical evidence that it was 100%, or even 10% -had that been so it would have been noted historically in the way Alexander's Companions were so noted. It was not, by Herodotus or Thucydides or by any of the other surviving histories or plays from that era.

Our poor knowledge on Spartan traditions is the result of Sparta's secrecy. Most modern theories are based on assumptions derived from ancient sources and parallels drawn between Sparta and contemporary Dorian Greek societies such as Crete. Some scholars assume that the custom of pederasty paralleled the mentoring relations between Spartan males and adolescent boys, common in Dorian societies. Some of the ancient scholars seem to have supported an opposing view: Xenophon writes that Lycurgus efficiently managed to cultivate chaste pederasty in the Spartan society.

This however tends to be viewed as an attempt of praise towards Sparta, and not necessarily as a sincere remark. Aristotle also wrote that Sparta belonged to the type of military society that was based on heterosexual relationship, unlike other Greek states of his time. However, an examination of the historical details reveals that "references to particular homosexual attachments of Spartans are conspicuous even by Greek standards". Cicero furthermore asserts that, "The Lacedaemonians, while they permit all things except outrage (hubris, referring here to homosexual coitus) in the love of youths, certainly distinguish the forbidden by a thin wall of partition from the sanctioned, for they allow embraces and a common couch to lovers. In antiquity it was thought that a youth was expected to find himself an older lover, and that pederasty, a social practice common throughout most of Greece, was especially so in Sparta, where the ephors fined any eligible man who did not have chaste relationships with youths.

So I’d come to the conclusion that perhaps like the Greeks we ought to regard erotic life as creative and interesting but not, even when homosexual, particularly special.

Ron White, the bourbon takeing, cigar smoking comedian that sometimes appears on Blue Collar TV, in his solo stand up performances tells a story about how he commented to Larry the Cable Guy (from Blue Collar TV) that we're all bi-sexual to some degree. Larry, according to Ron is very homophobic and immediately disputes that by saying he has absolutely no interest in another man at all.

Ron intending to prove that even he is starts off by asking him if he likes to watch porno. Larry says, "Yeah of course I do, you know that....you know I like porno".

Ron then asks him, "OK, so what then, you only watch lesbian porno, stuff with no men in it".

Larry says, "No, no, no....I like regular porno".

Ron replies by asking, "OK, so you only watch stuff with guys in it that have little dicks then, I guess".

Larry, holding his hands up with about a foot of space between them and giving no thought to what he's about to say replies, "Oh no, no.....I like great big dicks".

The idea expressed above that 90% of all people are bisexual seems like a number pulled out of a hat. The idea that 10% of all people are homosexual came from Dr. Kinsey's report which we now know to have been at worst a lie and at best grossly unscienrific (his entire section on youngren and sex seems to have come from discussions with 1 permister who was a former young worryer). The real fugure historically for gays and lesbians seems to have always been around 5 %.

Lets disringuish between those who pers ue this stricl=tly as a fantasy and those who pracitce it, which I believe to be in the minority of people at this site, although I can not prove it.

Many of those into this are in no way homosexual and fantasize about being a submisive or cuckold based less on the pure sex thatn on the image of a powerful woman being in charge and absent that woman have no interest in her being replaced by a man.

The transexual thing is at least as popular with some due to the *** of the natural way and the fascination of the process and outcome as it is to being gay or straight. In s sense, much like **** is not an act of lovemaking, but an act of power, so to to some people this is an act of power over the man and with many can not be replaced by a man.
I score a 67% a year or so ago on a 500 question purity test. In other words, kniky but not totally submissive. \
Another question on the transexual thing is, Is it only transexuals and not normal women with strap ons? I might let my wife do something that I would let no other do.
Now as to those who do this full time and do not have agreed upon limits, well you might have something there, but lets decide what we are fishing for instead of scooping all the fish up with a huge net.\
I wrote in one of the cuckold caps files a few months ago that would not the man who allows himself to be cucked be as big a gay as he who sucks? I was roundly trounced on by someone who replied, in caps I believ, that no only the one who sucks was gay. I didn't buy that argument.

I apologize fir any mis-spellings. Those who read my stuff regularly know I have had many eye surgeries and typing is no longer something I am good at.