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Tom7766
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# Posted: 14 May 2008 19:19:51
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asehpe, ValGal
asehpe, I will be sorry to see you go but I will be in touch. And you are right it is zardoz66@hotmail.com. ValGal thanks for your comments I do appreciate it. I am a little sad today that the couple I mentioned have seperated due to all of the agony brought about by the wife getting caught. I hope to get them back togehter soon as I believe that seperations are only good if there is physical abuse going on or very long term issues. It seems to me to work on issues you have to be together and not apart. Being disowned by Daddy was just to overwhelming for the wife and basically she is just lost right now and questioning everything including her marriage. The only support these two people have are each other and being apart is just going to make it worse. The husband feels like his wife is choosing daddy over him so he feels bad for both that and the fact that his wife felt that she had to leave.
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subserv
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# Posted: 14 May 2008 21:48:09
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Asehpe,
I don't get your referring to a subscription expiring. This site is free.
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asehpe
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# Posted: 15 May 2008 17:21:39
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Subserv,
if I'm not mistaken, when I signed up, there were several options, one being a one-month non-renewable membership. This was necessary for posting messages (I had tried before without success), so I took this option and registered for one month. I'm assuming that, once the month is over, I will no longer be able to post, though I will still be able to read messages here.
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ValGal
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# Posted: 17 May 2008 13:57:03
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Asehpe, I think subserv is right - this is a free site. Or, at least I don't have any sort of subscription.
Anyway, we're in the middle of our third long weekend "as a family" and I guess I'll say that I'm still cautiously optimistic. My bf and I have about the same intensity and connection we had when it was just the two of us, and hubby seems to be coping okay, although I notice his sub/fem persona seems much more out in the open when my bf is around.
Speaking of that, during the past week, I had a few deep discussions with hubby about his evolving fem side, and I guess I have mixed reactions. On one hand, I sort of feel sorry for him because it sounds like some of these things run really deep in him and he's been living all his life without any real outlet for them. What a curse that must feel like. But on the other side, it does make me feel a little like I don't know him as well as I thought I did. Thing is, we've been friends since we're 5 years old...I always thought we were open books to each other, but I guess I was missing some stuff, or quite possibly in denial and intentionally avoiding it.
Anyway, I've decided that the least I can do is be supportive and try to help him become whatever it is he wants to be...I mean, he's done so much for me, and because I love him, I want him to have everything in life he can have.
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dblue
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# Posted: 17 May 2008 14:13:32
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Val, do you think he might want to be with a man? How fem is he? Does he want to dress up?
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asehpe
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# Posted: 17 May 2008 17:19:01
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ValGal and Subserv, indeed you seem to be right -- I see I can still post. The first time I came to this forum, I could not -- I had to enter a username and password for a post to be accepted, and I didn't have them. I got them from the 'Join Now' page (it appears after you click 'Sign Up' here), which took me to a Ticketplace site that asked for a one-month membership (among other options). This is how I got the username Asehpe/asehpe (actually a word in an Indian language) and started posting. Well, anyway, I'm not complaining...
ValGal, I'm curious about your bf's reaction to the new situation. If he's vanilla, this may be more than a little strange for him.
I have the same question as dblue -- how fem is hubby? Does he want to become a woman? Is this independent from, or related to, his cuckold desires?
ValGal, we never really know anyone inside out -- because we don't even know ourselves perfectly. I'm always surprising myself (I never thought I'd want to be a father, and now look at me -- I even think I'm not doing a bad job...). Ten years in the future you may have discovered things about yourself (or hubby or bf) that you don't even suspect today.
I think it's more about how you feel about these new discoveries. You're being a nice girl by supporting him and helping him become what he wants, but stay in touch with your feelings about that. I guess the truth is that, however much we all want to be nice and supportive, if we have conflicting feelings about playing this role (if we deep down dislike that which we're supporting, for instance), these feelings will sooner or later have effects that we don't like. We have to be honest with ourselves.
In other words: I'm afraid you maybe don't like your hubby's female side (maybe it somehow offends your femininity as a heterosexual woman), and that this dislike may slowly erode and ultimately destroy your love for him.
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ValGal
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# Posted: 17 May 2008 18:02:07
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dblue and asehpe, I'll see if I can put it into words, but take what I say with a grain of salt...I'm still new to this, and I think hubby may also be dealing with things he's kept bottled up most of his life, so I'm not sure he really knows.
First, as for my bf, he seems to be accepting the little "family life" routine about as well as could be expected. I guess he understands that I'd like it to get to the point where he comes and goes as he likes - and as much as anything, this would give him more "access" to me whenever he's in the mood. We've sort of had that, but it always seemed like setting up a date...something you had to do "on purpose". Transitioning that to something more flexible and open seems to feel good to him, and I think at some point, he'd like to feel like it's "our" bed, "our" home, etc.
For whatever reason, he also seems to have more confidence where I'm involved. I think the way it was in the past, he almost felt like someday I'd wake up and walk out. Admittedly, I probably gave him that feeling early on in our relationship because I felt a little unsure of the whole cuck lifestyle - I guess he thought I was likely to put an end to it. Now, maybe he feels like we have more of a commitment to each other, since I'm essentially inviting him into our home to be part of our family. I find I like this part myself...I tend to be your typically submissive woman, so I guess I like the thought that my guy feels like he "owns" me (at least up to a point...I'm still a bit of a rebel at heart!).
As for hubby, so far he seems to be adapting well. When my bf is around, he seems content to keep a bit of distance, but not to withdraw. I try to keep the three of us involved in conversation and so on, so maybe that helps. I can tell he's more or less constantly aroused when my bf is here, so I know somehow it's feeding something that feels good to him.
When my bf isn't here, hubby and I have been talking a lot about his fem thing. Once I got to a point where I could see him as someone I love, struggling with a painful topic, things got much easier. He confessed that he's been cross-dressing since he was a kid, and like I said above, I suppose more than anything, I feel sorry for him that he's been carrying around what seems like a pretty big burden for a lot of years.
Probably the biggest topic we spend time on is talking about where he wants to take it, and I guess I'm thinking he really doesn't know. Part of him seems to be thinking about drastic lifestyle changes, but to his credit, he doesn't know if it's just fantasy or something he wants to do in reality. It is clear to me that this is something that goes deep and needs to be part of his day-to-day life...it's not just a little fetish around wearing silky panties to bed.
Right now, he said he'd like to ltry what feels like a very unisex or androgynous approach...sort of straddling the line between male and female - you know, the type of person you look at and can't really tell whether it's a girl or a guy. This androgynous approach feels better to me, too...I can handle seeing him in woman's jeans and t-shirts...probably be more of an adjustment for me if he started walking around in skirts.
He also says he doesn't have any particular attraction to men, which of course was a big question on my mind. Again, I'm not sure if he himself knows, but I've certainly never felt that he had any attraction to guys. I'm paying close attention to see if he develops any sort of affection for my bf...not sure if that's possible, but seems like it would be a natural way for him to go if he has these thoughts.
I've only spoken briefly about hubby's fem side to my bf. He gets it, and I think he gives it credit for why hubby wanted me to find another guy. I remind him that if that's the case, then he should be incredibly supportive, since it's what brought the two of us together.
Anyway, it's all still very much a work in progress, but I suppose I'm feeling like maybe there's hope for all involved.
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sissyboySC
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# Posted: 18 May 2008 18:00:13
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ValGal,...I've been following your story with great interest since it began.
Having been a cuck in a former life, and freely pursuing a fem lifestyle now, I can identify a little with hubby and perhaps some of the feelings he's had. I think that your bringing bf into the family, so to speak, will turn out to be a good thing overall as far as hubby is concerned. The only thing I might wonder about, if I were in his shoes, is when or if bf's presence becomes pretty much an everyday thing, that hubby will start to feel left out with you. Hubby certainly seems to enjoy sharing private moments with you, especially the one's where you watch and tell him details about you and bf together.
But you are to be commended for handling this unique situation in all the right ways,...keeping hubby involved, taking some of the unknown and secrecy out, and lessening some of the pain, even if that is what he wanted. Good job, keep it up and please continue to discuss and support hubby with his fem identity where ever it may take him.
Dancie
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ValGal
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# Posted: 19 May 2008 01:09:39
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SissyboySC, thanks for the encouraging words. I agree with the part about hubby feeling potentially left out...that's why I want it to feel like a 3-way family, not bf and I on one side, hubby and I on the other. Not sure if I'll make it there or not, but my goal is an all-inclusive one.
If you don't mind answering a question, I'm curious what you mean by "pursuing a fem lifestyle now". Care to explain what that's like and how it felt compared to the cuck life? What made you decide to go one way or the other?
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discreet7
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# Posted: 19 May 2008 02:50:59
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ValGal,
I really do not have a lot to say regarding the subject (I am still trying to introduce this lifestyle to my wife...not very successful right now) but I wanted to let you know I continuously keep up with this thread. It is VERY interesting and i am getting a lot out of it. Thank you for sharing your life with us and I look forward to reading more!!
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sissyboySC
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# Posted: 19 May 2008 11:01:37
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Hi ValGal,...transitioning to a fem lifestyle wasn't hard to make at all since I've always wanted to be a woman, it was just something I"ve always deeply wanted and finally did. I'm very passable and enjoy going out on dates with the guys. Feeling good about myself as a woman is wonderful.
It's not about the gay thing, and the men I date accept and treat me as the lady I am.
My cuck days were a long time ago, and not a voluntary thing. Actually I didn't even know there was a special term for it back then. Being a cuck was not a pleasant experience when it was happening, but oddly enough I find myself coming here and reading the real life stories.
Sounds like hubby is at an earlier stage of what I once was. Wondering if he has ever been in contact with any other girls like me? May be curious or interesting to him to explore feelings and desires with someone who has done who has taken urges to reality?
sissyboySC
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ValGal
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# Posted: 21 May 2008 04:43:16
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Discreet7 and sissyboy, thanks for reading...nothing particularly new to report, except for one thing. Hubby says he's feeling a bit uncomfortable to share some of his thoughts regarding his fem thing, so he's going to take the plunge and get himself into therapy. I am supportive of this because numnber one, it shows me he takes it seriously, and number two, I've been fearful I'd somehow lead him astray out of ignorance or insensitivity.
Anyway, Tom - if you're still reading - sounds like one of your peers will be getting an earfull...
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discreet7
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# Posted: 31 May 2008 18:42:47
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Hi Val,
any new updates? Hope all is well 
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ValGal
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# Posted: 1 Jun 2008 14:14:29
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Discreet7, thanks for asking...
Things are continuing more or less the same way as I've described in my last several posts. My bf more or less comes and goes as he pleases. I wouldn't say he's "moved in", but he's here more than he's not lately...probably 5 nights out of the last week.
Honestly, I like this setup more than what we did in the past. For one thing, it makes seeing my bf less of an "ordeal"...it used to be about getting ready and going out to see him. Now, he's here more often and I get to see him without all the "setup". I also feel like we have more of an emotional connection this way since we're more intimately involved with each other's lives. And of course, the extra time we see each other leads to lots more sex...which I think we both appreciate as well.
As for hubby, I'll offer a few things...
First, our relationship remains strong in its own unique way. We're talking as much (or more) than ever, and he continues to be the wonderful and supportive person I've always known. I know the whole situation has to be incredibly humiliating to him, but he talks about it and I think he accepts that he gets off on that feeling...it's very deep with him.
One thing that's changed for hubby is that he's less an "outsider" when it comes to the relationship I have with my bf. No, I don't mean that he in any way participates with us, but he sees us together and I guess he probably hears us in bed late at night. Our discussions have gone from "what was it like last night" to "you guys seemed pretty into it last night", if that makes sense.
Hubby also seems to be building some sort of connection to my bf. Yeah, I'm sure there are some hard feelings there, but the two of them talk and hubby has told me a few times that he understands why I picked him. I'd say this was my biggest fear going into it, and I'm glad it's working out.
As for hubby's feminine side, he's been indulging it a bit more, but cautiously so. We talk about it a lot, and our little shopping outings are different now...which frankly, I like. Not only is he my hubby and best friend, he's not a bad girlfriend, either, and this has opened up new things in our relaitonship.
I've also been reading more about transgenderism, and I suppose I've gotten to a place where more than anything I feel really sorry for him...he would have made a better woman than a man, and it seems cruel that he has to struggle this way.
Anyway, that's the update for now.
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MelSubHub
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# Posted: 4 Jun 2008 14:03:31
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The reality is, this is one reason my wife has not chosen to take the plunge. We have cuckold fantasies regularly. She fantasizes about big cocks and lots of men taking her - or one man doing her. It's all over the board - the whole gamut.
But, she likes to say, "Once you've tasted the blood of the chicken..." She knows it would negatively impact our relationship.
You simply cannot separate sex from a truly married relationship. Sexual intimacy in marriage is a beautiful thing and a healthy thing. It is intimately woven into what a marriage is. Certainly marriages can survive without it in unique situations. But, ultimately, the cuckold reality changes the relationship - it's no longer a true marriage relationship (regardless of what others might say).
I don't mean this in any way as a criticism, ValGal, but it seems to me you are missing something with your husband if you and he have lost your sexual relationship. Sex is more than just a physical or mental pleasure; it's tied up with our emotions and inner self. It's inseparable from that as relational beings.
MelSubHub
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subserv
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# Posted: 6 Jun 2008 12:20:50
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ValGal,
How are things going for you? Does your husband see you cuddling and kissing your bf? What is your daily life like at home? Is your husband submissive around your bf? Does he stay out of the way and give you privacy? How do you work out all these things? Does if feel natural and normal for all concerned?
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ValGal
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# Posted: 6 Jun 2008 13:53:36
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MelSubHub, this is exactly the point that prompted me starting the thread in the first place. I think exactly the same way you do, and I admit I've had a lot of those same thoughts. However, my own experience tells me it's possible to end up in a different place relationship-wise...not better or worse necessarily - just different.
After a few years in this kind of relationship, I'm happy to report that at an emotional level, my love and commitment to hubby remains as strong as ever...it just doesn't really include the same type of physical sexual component anymore (although there are certain sexual aspects to our relationship, such as the discussions we sometimes have about what it's like for me with my bf).
Funny thing is that I think my hubby is all around happier this way too as it seems to satisfy some deep-seated needs in him. I've learned that I'm not so much denying him anything as giving him the ingredients he needs to stay aroused. Just so happens that in his case, those ingredients are all about humiliation and so on.
Anyway, I don't mean to come off as defensive...I still have many of the same concerns you raise. All I can say is that I'm still figuring a lot of things out - stay tuned for the outcome.
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ValGal
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# Posted: 6 Jun 2008 14:01:39
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subserv, yes - we tend to be pretty affectionate whenever we're together. At first, this was really awkward, but the more time passes, the more natural it feels to all of us.
My hubby has been pretty wonderful about it...he seems to sense when to back off and give us some alone time, and when it's okay to participate. Little by little, hubby and my bf are communicating more, and the relationship they're working out is sort of complex. On one hand, my bf feels both thankful (as in thanks for giving me your wife) and power-driven (as in "I can do anything I want with her right in front of you"). My hubby is a mix of fear (I don't want to lose her altogether), submission (mostly his feminine side coming out) and arousal. Mix in some jealousy, humiliation and so on...well, you get the picture.
The two of them are beginning to communicate more as time goes by. I find my bf going into a lot of these "did she ever tell you about the time we did x" stories, which must be incredibly humiliating to hubby, but he seems aroused by them.
Still, I have to say that it feels better to me than I thought it might. So far, no regrets.
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discreet7
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2008 01:26:56
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Hi Val,
I am really glad to hear that things have been working out well for you. Although I have not been able to participate in this kind of lifestyle, I have done a lot of reading here and through other sites. I have found that often, things dont always end up good. I am very happy to hear that in your case they are. Your husband is a very lucky man to have a woman like you in his life. I can only hope to have as much luck. I can, as im sure many on here do, understand your husbands situation. Its very hard to explain how a man would actually be excited about his wife with another man. I have had discussions with my wife about it and she doesnt understand why either. In any case, as always, thank you for sharing and I look forward to hearing more.
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ValGal
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# Posted: 8 Jun 2008 15:06:48
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discreet7, thanks for the supportive words. I agree 100% that it's awfully hard to navigate these waters and land in a spot where everyone is happy. I'm not so sure I've done it myself, even though I think we're doing better than most.
It is very difficult for most women to understand this stuff...it's certainly not the way most of us were raised, and it really feels different than the "grow up, find a mate, have kids and live happily ever after" messages we got as little girls. Still, my advice to you would be to find someone who loves you enough to grant you your wildest dreams - I'm sure she's out there!
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sex4fun
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# Posted: 8 Jun 2008 19:05:20
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Hi, So I'm curious, when you say when hubby knows when to participate, are you including him in any sexual way at all?
Also, not that this would be good but if the boyfriend and you ended it would you go back to sex with hubby?
Or would you insist on finding another male to take over again?
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ValGal
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# Posted: 9 Jun 2008 02:55:21
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sex4fun, at the moment, there's not much sex going on with hubby at all. Sometimes, he'll ask me about some of my intimate encounters with my bf, and he likes to masturbate while I tell him whatever he asks about. That's pretty much been the extent of our sex life for about a year now.
As for what would happen if my bf and I split up, I'm not sure. A lot would depend on hubby and whether he wanted to step back into that sort of role with me...I'm not at all sure he would at this stage - it would take a lot. But of course that's all hypothetical anyway since I'm not in that position and don't plan on being any time soon.
Anyway, thanks for checking in!
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alex_th
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# Posted: 15 Jun 2008 21:44:09
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Hi ValGal,
I have been following you story, any update on you, hubby and you bf?
Please update us.
Thanks
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ValGal
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# Posted: 16 Jun 2008 02:03:00
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alex, thanks for checking in...
Not a lot of news lately - things are sort of settling into a routine. My bf is spending probably about two-thirds of his time at our place...he's moved in some clothes and personal stuff, and it's pretty normal having him around the house now. We of course sleep together any time he's over, so I guess it gives him motivation to be here more than he's not.
It's been working out that maybe two nights a week, he stays at his own place. I think part is that he likes a little space to himself, and partly he says he feels like he comes between hubby and I, and I think he has some sense of guilt over that. We also miss each other those nights, and I guess it adds up to even hotter sex subsequently, if that's possible.
This coming week will be a little different...hubby is out of town on business, and so my bf will be with me all week, just the two of us. It always feels different when we're alone together that way without the extra dynamic of hubby being around.
As for hubby, we are still pretty much in the same place. He continue to be supportive of my other relationship, and I think now that he's seeing it up close, he understands that it's not just a casual fling...there are some serious feelings involved on all sides. I notice he asks a lot fewer questions about the "mechanical" parts of it (you know, who was on top, the orgasm scoreboard, etc) and now he spends more of his time wanting to understand the feelings and all that.
Hubby's still sorting through his gender issues, which I guess has become more of a common topic of discussion. I sense that it's a really deep issue with him, and I'm glad he's starting to see a therapist to talk about some of these issues. Who knows where it will lead, but I'm committed to him and will be at his side, no matter what the future holds.
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subcuckinseattle
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# Posted: 16 Jun 2008 05:33:17
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Gawwwwd you're an incredible woman ValGal. Truly amazing.
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draclif69
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# Posted: 16 Jun 2008 22:30:29
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valgal, I've been reading your posts from the beginning and yours is still the first I look for an update in when I log in. Thanks for taking the time to share with us.
One question, what do your girl friends think of the situation if they know? have you lost any friendships during this as a result?
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ValGal
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# Posted: 17 Jun 2008 03:25:46
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draclif69, thanks for the kind words...glad to hear you find our simple story interesting.
I usually stay away from the sexual details I see in most of the other stories in here...sometimes I feel like I'm probably pretty boring to a good many of the folks interested in that sort of thing. It's good to know somebody finds the more day-to-day stuff I write about to be interesting.
Anyway, as for your question about my gf's, I've had a few varied reactions from my girlfriends. I try not to make a big deal out of it, but once or twice people have seen me and my bf out in public in an obviously romantic setting, and I figured I needed to head it off. And of course, once one person knows, eventually others are going to find out.
My best friend in the world is very understanding...she's married and she's cheated on her hubby a few times (without him knowing) - she's amazed that I've found a way to "have my cake and eat it too". She's the one I share most of the details with, and she's probably the only one who I've let know my bf in a personal way (as in having her visit with my bf and I socially).
I have another friend that found out through the grapevine, and she was pretty hard on me. She went into the righteous, religious place - which I never expected from her - and the friendship is more of less gone now. That makes me sad, but in a way, I'm glad I found out how closed-minded she was.
Others have been sort of in between...one of my friends told me she didn't believe me...I had my hubby explain it to her - she was pretty shocked, but she's okay with it. Another friend sort of got her head around it, but now it's somehow off-limits...we both know it's going on, but it's not talked about.
I got all sorts of advice, too...everything from "maybe you should see a shrink", to "you know, it's okay to get divorced if you really want something else" to more or less complete acceptance. One even told me my life is something she's fantasized about, but she doesn't think her hubby would go for it.
Anyway, thanks for reading through all these posts, and if there's anything you want me to write about, let me know and I'll see what I can do.
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blazingsun
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# Posted: 17 Jun 2008 04:18:35
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Hi ValGal,
I know how some close people can turn out to be. Well but again you get to find the real ones where even if they think you are doing something wrong they stick by you.
And were there are always those few, they accept seeing you guys happy and be happy for you guys.
I am happy things are working out for you and am sure sooner or later your remaining friends would not only be accepting but happy for you.
As for the people around you, I guess you should not worry as long as you 3 of you always stick up for each other. I mention this as relatives are sometimes more harsher.
Wish you the best.
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ValGal
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 12:28:49
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blazingsun, yes, I agree. Turns out I've never been one to get to close to most of my friends...I guess I'm shy at heart, and I've always been pretty much of a loner in a lot of ways. So it's not all that big a deal to me that some of my friends might abandon me. As you say, the true ones are the ones that accept what you are in an unconditional way.
Anyway, the three of us are off for a long weekend together...this is a first, and I'm hoping we'll manage to relax and have some fun.
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melbhusb
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 16:07:45
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ValGal, love reading your story, I wish my wife was like you!!!
MH
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