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rachel76

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# Posted: 24 Mar 2009 15:01:30
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I received the text below as a private message. The response I sent is pasted below the note I received. I decided to move it here myself.


Sent On: 23 Mar 2009 23:48:21
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Rachel76,

I wrote this post below before deciding to send it by PM. I think that some words might seem cruel but this is my current state of mind. Sorry for having chosen you to express these ideas.
Marc


I hesitated long before writing this post for 2 different reasons. First, because my english is not good enough for me to express clearly my ideas. Secondly, because I still feel that it is clearly not my business and there's no specific reason why I should express this opinion on here and not on someone else's topic. But since you're telling your story to who ever wants to read it, I assume that you're willing to accept evryone's opinion.


In my humble opinion, I think that you should get your husband, and probably you, consult a psychotherapist. Accepting submission to that extent, denotes surely some pshychological dysfunctions, which in itself is not necessarily dangerous. But what is dangerous to me, is, thanks to your increasing sadistic spirit, the physical pain it is leading to with some serious permanent effect on you husband physical and mental health.

I think that you 2 are in a vicious circle where the only natural boundary is the complete physical decline of your poor sick husband.
How can you accept to inflict such treatment to the father of your children? I do not know if you have any boys: would you ever accept that your boy be ever humiliated in this way, even if he accepts it himself ?

What would you tell your children if ever this leads to permanent injuries of your husband ? that you have done it for you own pleasure and that because he accepted it ?
Sure he is a consenting adult. Still, many people who commit suicide are also adults. This is not to say that people who love them should not try to stop them from committing the irreparable. But for this, love is needed...

Sent On: 24 Mar 2009 14:55:13
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You should have posted this on the thread. I bet you would be surprised at the number of cuckold men who would disagree with you. The strongest dissenters would likely be the very ones who would very much like to trade places with my husband. Try it and see if I'm right or wrong. Or just take a poll and see how many of the readers would like to be in my husband's shoes.

Having said that, I respect your opinion and I'm not offended by it. You have the right to express yourself the same as me.

Rachel

etoileh2003

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# Posted: 24 Mar 2009 23:54:55
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I am the person who wrote this mail yesterday.

Rachel : since you have taken the initiative to publish my initial mail and your response, I assume that a possible public debate is open.
To who ever - if any - wants to participate : please let it be productive without any kind of personal attack towards anyone expressing his/her point of view.


My answer to your mail :

I definately agree that many men would like to trade places with your husband. Still, if many people have the same symptoms, this does not detract from the seriousness and dangerousness of their situation, and most importantly, this does not explain the phenomenon.


In fact my questions remain open, particularly in relation to:

1- the dangerous side of such a submission and the risks that it has no forseen limits except the total physical and mental decline of your husband

2- the fact that love, like the one we carry towards our children, can not a priori accommodate with such a degradation of human dignity,

3 - the fact that your husband, like a consenting adult who's committing suicide or like a drug addict, would need help rather than just someone who's meeting his immediate needs, these same needs that are causing his downfall.

Again, what I am seeking through these questions is to understand such relations, without any kind of moral judgment.

etoileh2003

asehpe

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# Posted: 30 Mar 2009 03:37:28
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I guess this is the million-dollar question, isn't it? How dangerous it can be. How damaging to the self. How one can revert Maslow's hierarchy of needs and come unscathed.

Because this is what all cuck-wannabees, and even cucks in cuckold relationships (and their cuckolding wives, and their bulls) really want: no real permanent harm to anyone. Or am I wrong?

Although the cuck fetish is not per se masochistic, it certainly is very close to it; my guess is that cucks who don't want to be dominated and/or humiliated are a minority. Now: how does someone explain masochism (including submission and similar fetishes here) if one accepts Maslow's hierarchy? Who has really managed to explain it in any way, since Krafft-Ebing suggested the word? Freud tried (first repressed homosexuality, then 'death wish'--he wasn't wrong only about women, you know); Sartre tried ('the For-itself -- consciousness -- wants to reduce itself to Nothing so as to drown in the abyss of the Other's subjectivity'; something there, but how does this relate to sex?), Deleuze responded ('eternally delaying the pleasure'; tsk-tsk...); academic feminism considered sadomasochism as a 'natural development of patriarchy' (also for men? puhleease...)...

And of course the masochist/cuck/submissive may often -- maybe inevitably -- wonder if there is "something wrong" with him/her. 'This can't be really healthy, right?'

So what is it then? Is the very fact of being a cuck-wannabee evidence of 'something wrong' that needs therapy? Or could it be that the whole story is much more complicated?... Speaking as a cuck-wannabee myself, who had to struggle with the 'is there something fundamentally wrong with me?' theory,

Rachel, your story is very interesting to me because, just like ValGal in her own thread, you claim to have lost interest in your husband while at the same time loving him in other ways. You said you can separate the 'sexual self' from the person stuff, so you can really admire him, say, as a father (and share other things with him perhaps? taste in music? work? sports? politics? etc...), while at the same time totally despising him as a sexual person. Here is where I see a difference between you and ValGal--you actually seem to sincerely despise your husband's cuckold desires, while ValGal (as far as I understand) does not. (Your situation is very reminiscent of that of the author of "Maria's diary" at www.mariasdiary.com).

From ValGal's post, I saw that it is possible to lose sexual interest in someone without ceasing to love him/her. But the interest in the person remained, and ValGal -- if I read her correctly -- is every bit as interested in the person her husband is, every bit as "in love" with him, as she always was, despite the changed dynamics, despite the fact that she'll never actually have sex with him anymore. Unlike you, ValGal apparently does not despise anything at all in her husband; she just doesn't want sex with him anymore. Please note that I am NOT criticizing you or your husband, Rachel; you, like everybody else, have the right to live your lives as you see fit. (From my perspective as a cuck-wannabee, the kind of relationship you have is so delightful and wonderful!)

In your case, unlike ValGal (and like the Maria in Maria's diary), you do despise certain aspects of the person your husband is--the sexual parts. Yet you are not indifferent to his fantasies; in fact, again unlike ValGal, you actually find it erotic to humiliate him. Could I say that, to the extent that you enjoy his humiliation, you still are having a sex life with him? Note the detail with which you describe his predicament: almost like a painter talking about the painting s/he created; with, well, love. This suggests to me that there is more erotic connection between you and your husband than there is between ValGal and hers (again, no judgment of ValGal is implied here). After all, as anybody knows, sex isn't 'penetration'; sex is a game played in the mind that involves pretty much everything else in the body as pawns.

Do you feel strongly connected to your husband in non-sexual ways -- not simply as a father to your children and/or provider, but in other kinds of ways? (You mentioned that, since you have sex with your lovers only about 7 or 8 times per month, you get over 20 days in which little thought is given to his 'wimpy cuck' situation doesn't get much attention; do the two of you feel connected in other ways in these days?) Or does the contempt for your husband's manliness or lack thereof spill also into these other areas? (You've already said you can separate these things well; I guess I am just looking for confirmation.)

In the ValGal thread, I remember the participation of a psychologist who claimed to be a specialist in alternative lifestyles. He claimed that cuckold relationships in which intimacy between the partners was lost (I think he even specifically said sex) tend to move towards divorce as the submissive partner ends up looking like the very object of their fantasies -- a worthless being, unworthy of being loved -- to the dominant partner.

I guess this is what I am afraid of in my own desires. Perhaps other posters also feel this way. Which is why I am asking so many questions in such a long post here -- please forgive me if I exaggerate. So: how do you feel about the future of your relationship? Do you see yourself getting old with your husband? Do you see growth for yourself and for him in your relationship?

I'll stop here. If I'm asking too much, feel free not to respond. And in any way, please believe that I admire people who can live their dreams--and you seem to be doing that.
Hung09

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# Posted: 30 Apr 2009 16:21:09 · Edited by: Hung09
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If you read the current research about the social behaviors of mountain gorillas in africa, you will see that silver backs tolerate their female's affairs. Intelligent human males understand the tactic too.

When I was young and did not understand women I tried to keep my mates from being alone with other men. Very jealous.

At around 30 I realized that you cannot fight the ocean or a woman's desires. Both are doomed to failure.

Remaining interesting to your mate is the key to your happiness IMO.

Sometimes when I get cut off in traffic and then get out of the car and tell the guy off she complains at the time and then screws my brains out when we get home.

Other times she mentions how romantic a co workers mate was with flowers or a note and I get no sex advances until I surprise her with a romantic act that her co-workers witness.

Me wearing a chastity device for her is just that, for her. If she sees that most of your behavior is to satisfy your needs, then she will question the relationship.

Humans females are inherently self centered IMO.

It is a main reason we thrive as a species.
jackal1

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# Posted: 11 May 2009 18:54:44
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Have your little dicked husband suck a dildo in front of you and your stud. Push him hard to throat it. Once he gets use to it the gagging will stop. Don't let up. When he balks slap his face. Be stern and in command. Don't ask for anything...demand it. If it's humilation he's craving move him towards fully servicing you and your stud's desires with his mouth. Make him a cum eating cocksucker. Make him lap your pussy when it's full of cum and cock. Take him to a gloryhole and make him suck your stud's dick while you taunt him and slap him. have him worship your ass and pussy as often as possible.
plzingu4e

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# Posted: 13 May 2009 02:32:11
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jackal1 read the whole thread............
Jayj

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# Posted: 13 May 2009 08:42:10
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Rachel, any updates from you? so love reading your posts.
CuckCandidate

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# Posted: 13 May 2009 17:03:20
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Quoting: asehpe
I guess this is the million-dollar question, isn't it? How dangerous it can be. How damaging to the self. How one can revert Maslow's hierarchy of needs and come unscathed.

Because this is what all cuck-wannabees, and even cucks in cuckold relationships (and their cuckolding wives, and their bulls) really want: no real permanent harm to anyone. Or am I wrong?....


Asehpe, that was an excellent post.
clint08911

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# Posted: 14 May 2009 11:35:18
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I am more of a lurker and don't really post to much, but I wanted to thank you for the thread, it is interesting seeing how a relationship actually functioned like that, versus a lot of the fantasies you hear about here. I have been in a semi-cuckold relationship, and it is hard to manage fantasy and reality sometimes. Just wondering, if you could go back and not sleep with anyone else, and just play it as a fantasy, would you?


Clint

Ladynsniffer

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# Posted: 4 Jun 2009 14:27:45
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Rachael,

Great thread and I do hope you will continue to post. This has become a living journal which is thrilling to read.

My wife and I began our marriage a decade ago with cuckolding. She likes to cheat and I am very attracted to cheating women. Sounds perfect but we did have to go through all the emotions of a cuckold relationship. My wife told me from day one that she had no interest in my less than 4 inch penis. She is very Domme with me and keeps me locked in chastity for long periods of time. Meanwhile, she has two current lovers who have more than 8 inches, they get very hard for her, and they are very thick. Some times I get to watch and some times not.

Rachael, my wife is with you. She is attracted to men who have more than 8 inches (and thick) to offer. Less than that and she simply is not interested. Physical attraction is different in everyone. This just happens to be hers. And "oh my" how she screams in delight when she has sex with one of these men. The 10cm comment is offered to make us little dicks feel better.

Over the years, my wife has watched me submissively serve her and her lovers as the perfect host. For some reason it turns her on when I lick her lover's cum off her breasts or ass. I am very envious of them and their orgasms. I never refuse this task, even though I am usually locked in chastity and essentially have no penis of my own. There are other humiliating tasks I perform. My wife has zero sexual interest in me. I value being her chastity cuckold and I stay. I worship my wife's ass almost daily. This is essentially my sex life. But, I adore her and lust for her so much that I am content with at least this much intimacy.

I do hope to hear more from you.

marcus
169lover

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# Posted: 8 Jun 2009 01:36:06
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rachel76
Just discovered your thread and missed your pics. Any chance of a pic re post?.
All of your post followers will be eternally greatfull.
169lover

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# Posted: 21 Jun 2009 03:19:30
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rachel76
I see you were logged in 6.20.09.
Any chance of an up date?. Like the latest humiliation Alex has experienced.
Suggestions. A pic of Alex and Brian standing together naked. Show your cum soaked pussy before and after Alex cleans you.
Command Alex to describe his humiliation at this stage
of his fantasy.
169lover

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# Posted: 2 Jul 2009 00:38:15
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rachel76
"I think I saw someone else answer your question best. My feelings have not changed in the least for my husband. He is my best friend. My rock and my companion. He just has a very tiny penis. I enjoy making love with my husband but sometimes I just want to have my body rocked in a way that he can't manage. By the way, that's an excellent idea about the picture next to the bed. I may have to steal that idea from you"
Quoting from one of Rachel's posts.
Rachel what happened?.
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