The Pussification Of The Mal...In the mind of a bull

That's all fine (not) and you may have a point somewhere in there but what stops you from being or at least feeling like a 'real man' redimac?

paparas


Oh, a am a real man.... this is more of a lament , rant if you will.
Joe Preston

wow Mr Preston lokks like sumbunnys bin o'r @ king bulls place,



its more of a compassion issue in this method of thought ..
understanding or not understanding circumstance.....who is really in control and who is not.....etc etc.
rather complicated and would require a just as elephantine effort as you have just made for us

joranc
na, no one has been over....

I'm just wondering about the future...what will be.
Joe Preston

i agree with much of what You say!
submissively
sissyjilly

thanks...
Joe Preston

redimac

You are playing in a sand box (this site) mostly filled with kids having varying levels of sexual issues.

The Sissy/Chastity forum is one of the most popular on this site. There are many intelligent posters who share knowledge about effeminate lifestyles and their effects on M/F or M/M relationships.

I have written more than one inflammatory post regarding married gay or sissy husbands. My concerns are those who know they possess gay or sissy tendencies, yet marry a woman that believes she got herself a man. Eventually, he comes to the realization he's gay or sissy and is therefore incapable of hiding in the closet any longer. This often destroys the marriage, leaving the innocent woman feeling used, broken, confused, hurt........>

PLEASE let the lady know about your sexual peccadillos and allow her to consider them BEFORE marriage! Women are not Guinea pigs to be used to mask your sexual orientation or experimentation.
Women have hearts and feelings and such selfish activities crush her self-esteem. It is unfair to women.

Having said that, I have no problems standing up for gays, sissies or other "girly-men". Some men are intersexed, others transgendered, home or other upbringing, gay, hypogonadal, sexual opportunities (all boy school, etc), sexual experiences (forced sex or other humiliating scenario). Some men just enjoy being girly. I have no difficulty understanding those so affected. Why do you?

I don't know much, but every guy I've met that thinks like you winds up being hopelessly homosexual.

The world belongs to everyone and it's a 50/50 deal for women AND men.

Peace.
..............PSEUDO PERSON

denny1970
"And the funny thing is just like you said: having worked so hard to de-ball men...liberal chicks freaking love a real man no matter what they say in public."

What a surpise, not!
I_A_S_P

"I have no difficulty understanding those so affected. Why do you?"

I don't...

But I'm thinking that the environment as we experience it seems not to support the development of "real men." This is not about gayness somehow being bad.
Joe Preston

denny1970

Your response, “A certain "critical mass" of vanilla folks need to be vital in order to keep society running.” Now that is a brilliant point of light...





Our natural masculinity as boys comes in a 'seed' form which needs to be cultivated and developed in order to grow into a fully fledged 'tree'. For this it needs the company of other masculine gendered males, i.e. membership of men's spaces. This is needed especially in the formative years.

It is this membership of men's spaces that is basically called "manhood" and in western societies have come to be known as a lifestyle called: 'straight'.

Therefore, in short, you need to be one of the 'straights' in order to develop your inner, natural masculinity. And this sometimes poses problems because straight is unfairly held equivalent to 'heterosexuality'.

For men who have missed this crucial 'manhood' process in their adolescence, they can, if they have that inner natural masculinity in them, develop their manhood later, through an intense romantic/ emotional/ social bond with a straight male who has gone through this manhood process and has been a member of men's spaces. His company can do for your inner masculinity what the men's spaces would have done.

This is why men's spaces, manhood, and straight identity are so important for masculine males.

Real masculinity does not need to be proved. Real masculinity is just there. Society may not sometimes acknowledge that masculinity in order to force a man to comply. But if a man is confident and firm, society will eventually acknowledge it.

The essence or seed of natural masculinity is given by nature. But it needs to be cultivated and developed. The only way to do this is by celebrating masculinity. Otherwise it remains dormant. The only way to celebrate masculinity is by relating with and bonding with other men. When men unite, the inherent masculinity becomes active. When we bond and relate with other men, we benefit from the collective masculinity thus generated. It is a tremendous power.

In spite of an extreme reward and punishment mechanism of society to control and oppress men, those who are true men have stood their ground and not bowed before unreasonable gender and sexual roles. They had to give up enormous powers that they could easily have taken. They have withstood extreme punishments as a result of disobedience. But such men always finally win back their honor and social power. It is said that, only that which comes out unaffected from fire is pure gold. This is what true masculinity is all about.

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Joe Preston

You guys sound a little gay actually. You have way too much love for manhood. And this comes from a Cuck.

I am a professional, but a firearms instructor as a hobby.
I am former military
I own an extensive gun collection.
I hunt when I want.
I travel the country for college football games when i want.

I do this while married to a beautiful, sexy, slutty, professional woman, who in all likelihood makes more money than both of you put together.

Teddy Roosevelt is my favorite president too and I hate all the gov't cuddling thing too, but why the misogyny? A man does not have too subjugate a woman to remain a man. If you feel you do, i think the problem might be yours.

and what the hell is:

"The only way to celebrate masculinity is by relating with and bonding with other men. When men unite, the inherent masculinity becomes active. When we bond and relate with other men, we benefit from the collective masculinity thus generated. It is a tremendous power."

It sounds like a gay orgy in the woods, lol.

I hope you guys were kidding.

Oh and by the way, everybody knows Davy Crockett was really a tool!

for_fun_and_games

Like to hear first hand how you relate to you bull/s, that could be an interesting read.

"It sounds like a gay orgy in the woods, lol." I have no antidotal experience with gay experiences in the woods. So what is that like??


There are degrees of everything, this is clearly not a plea for "all or nothing" Simply lamenting the seeming state of things for men.

By the way, I do understand that there is a bit of femininity inside every man.
Joe Preston

I am friendly. They're friendly.

My wife likes getting fucked hard. I like watching her get fucked hard. They like fucking her hard.

Other than that, usually just two guys having drink, maybe a little 420 and talking shit like any other two guys socializing.

The only real particularly interesting part is the fucking.

Oh, and if they don't respect the Florida Gators, they get thrown out of the house usually.

for_fun_and_games
so what are you doing with yourself as your wife is fucked hard?
Joe Preston

Sometimes I am watching. Sometimes taking pics. Sometimes jerking off. Sometimes in the next room. Sometimes out of town. Sometimes eating pizza, especially if the previously mentioned 420 was indulged in.

But most of the time, waiting to fuck her afterward which is my fav. It's like watching a porno, but a lot more intense.

Are your questions leading to something?

for_fun_and_games

Are your questions leading to something? Not really, I like to understand what's going on in a cuck's mind.

you might be more of a swinger than a cuck, as the humilation piece seems to be missing or not important enough to be mentioned...true?
Joe Preston

redimac

Some of your observations on the current environment are very interesting. It's good to read the perspective of dominant males, Real Men, as you say.

But i think you're missing the big, bright side of the story. Since the advent of the "nuclear family", man, woman, child, as the basic social unit, every male has been assumed to be dominant, king of his castle, a Real Man. In fact, the proportion of dominant to submissive males does not and has not changed significantly, despite trends or social engineering, in any era.

By definition, there can be only one alpha male in a group or scene. Given one or two allies that are too strong to be denied, the total of dominant males is something like 20% of the male population. The remainder are necessarily submissive, programmed if you will, to be content waiting, watching and supporting their wives.

In fact, the natural human order has been confused by the pretense that every male is dominant, with submissive males trying to walk like men, defend their marital beds, etc. Real men, in Bull mode, have to contend with all kinds of unnecessary and artificial resistance from sub-male husbands and the social order in general.

So, i would suggest that every lady-boy, or feminized husband represents an available woman, who probably has a stable, secure home life and may well be free to serve and enjoy alpha male sexual partners. Many readers of this site know how useful as sissy husband at home can be to an active woman.

Young males should be encouraged to live by their own instincts, whichever way they lean. Bulls might be even more important in the near future, if i'm right because they will all have several women to service!

janscuck


Well I hope you are right...


and I agree that this is a good thing>>>>

So, i would suggest that every lady-boy, or feminized husband represents an available woman, who probably has a stable, secure home life and may well be free to serve and enjoy alpha male sexual partners. Many readers of this site know how useful as sissy husband at home can be to an active woman.
Joe Preston

By the way, let me mention that I re-read my first response to you thread and I feel it was a little ass-holish, so I apologize for the tone. Something about your post set me off a little, but I should have probably been more civil.

I suppose I am a cuck in the sense that I remain faithful to my wife, but encourage her to fuck other guys. I can enjoy humiliation from her, but not from the guy. So not a cuck in that sense so much.

We don't consider ourselves swingers, since we like our sex dirty and raunchy. Our experience with swingers (hedo) was that sex was more playful. Sort of kids playing games as grownups. They were very nice and fun people, but just not really our thing.

I can get turned on by the smugness of a dom male, but I am unlikely to act sub to him. Even though If my wife wanted me to, I probably would.

This is my second cuck relationship and in my first, my gf did fantasize about me sucking the guy off or getting fucked by him and it was hot, but we broke up before actually trying it. I suppose had I stayed with her maybe i would be more sub. But, since my wife has never pushed in that direction, I am not interested in it enough do so either.

I like assertive guys to fuck my wife, because I like to see her being slutty and a dom guy is more apt to bring that out. She likes who just want to fuck and use her too, one of the worst things a guy who fucks my wife can do is be to sweet to her, cause she'll label him a "cuddler" and won't fuck him anymore. But, at the end of the day, this is about us as husband and wife. We respect the guys and try to make sure they have a good time. I get turned on when I know a guy is cumming really good with my wife. But at no time does he become the priority of the whole thing.

I have always assumed that the really extreme cuck and bull stories were mostly fantasy. AM I WRONG?

Are there really a bunch of cucks out there in chastity washing bulls' cars wile they're wives are in bed with the bull for example?

Here is a pic of my wife and "bull" just for shits and giggles.

for_fun_and_games

I have always assumed that the really extreme cuck and bull stories were mostly fantasy. AM I WRONG?

Mostly, no. Alas fantasy is cuckoldplace!


Are there really a bunch of cucks out there in chastity washing bulls' cars wile they're wives are in bed with the bull for example?

A majority? not likely, but I can tell you that I have personally seen a small few situations not unlike this...

And she looks like a good find...
Joe Preston

Redimac,

I agree with most of your points...

However, as a dominant male myself, I consider this as a "good time, more opportunity, less competition" rather than cursing "why do the culture pussify men?"

Because, historically, dominant alpha males are always been a minority. Someone mentioned %20 of all men are dominants, I assume even less, maybe %10, %5, even %1.

You know the pareto principle? %20 of salespeople make the %80 of sales. I think it is more like %5 of salespeople make %95 of sales. And in reality, %5 of the "real men", get %95 of the pussies.

However, life this way is hard for the %95. Pussified man hardly get any sex. Women can't get any "social security" because "real man" fuck them, and leave them behind when they have little babies. Therefore pussified men get "guaranteed sex" with a wife otherwise they might never have, and most women get "security of a good provider husband", even if they always dream of "real men".

Therefore there is not a "mass market" of dominant males, and they are harder to "convince", "manipulate", and therefore, sell to. And the mass media caters to this market, both men and women... And real men just ignore this bullshit.

Of course, they'll be against us being "real men". They were never "real men or women" who can face the harsh realities of life, and choose to live life "rising up to the challenge", rather than shirking responsibility and losing their own power in the process.

And this leaves us "real men and women" a rare, real gem, as much a shining piece of diamond...

P.S.: I don't think being "real men" or "real women" has anything to do with genetics, or physical characteristics, like race color or whatever etc. I think it is much more about a mentality, "not giving up the fight", "not accepting defeat", "doing whatever it takes", "assuming responsibility", "developing discipline and follow through" etc... Which are all character traits which can be practiced and learned. And when I say I'm a "dominant" man, or "real man", I don't mean whip and enslave my women (although I can play games sometimes, with a willing partner). What I mean is, when I show sexual interest in a women, it is with the understanding that this is a very valuable gift that I'm offering her, only reserved for the truly worthy of the women, and it will be on my terms, not hers. Also I do satisfy women better than probably %95 of men, not because of my "big tool" (it's only average) but with my better understanding of their emotions, thoughts, and bodies (which can all be learned and developed too). Consequently, I think being a bull or a sub is a choice. Being a bull (or dom, or real man) is about making the harder, and less popular choice. It's about not taking shit from anyone. Not bowing to anyone, or not putting any person (including any women) on a pedestal.

Hey redimac interesting topic you started here, I don,t agree with all your points but the overall them I think is genuine. We as men have allowed political corectness to take away many of our fundermental rights as men. We have given up our manhood to please the needs of womem, some of this stuff has been nessasary because it was right but it has inpacted on our needs. Womans lib robbed women of there femininity as much as it did men our manhood, it I think has confused the balance between men and women to a point we do not anymore know what is correct or appropriate.

I do not think this has much to do with the cuckold theme however, I consider my self a man first and a cuckold second. There is nothing sissiy or wimpy about me and all my interests would be considered manly. I dominate my wife in all areas of our relationship including sexualy but I do like her to date and go to bed with other men. Some of us turn our fantsies into realiity, this takes a certan strength in it self I think.
Graz
Graz

wizozz
cogent points.
SO let me borrow your analogy a bit, suppose we created an environment where all the attributes of the successful sales person were systematically repressed, controlled, in short, made less than the ideal. Now that would be a weird way of creating good sales people, YES? I'd be hard to get even that 5%

Most any sales program trys to at least minimally instill some of the attributes/virtues of a successful sales person. Imagine if that was all taken away>>>>
I do like your attitude, you do know who you are, and project that. Well done.

imagin

If nothing, the cuckold dynamics are quite complex. So your model can fit, as do many others. ( do know many cucks who are not wimps, in particular, in their professioanl life quite the opposite) This piece doesn't have overall application to all things cuck...agree.

Just venting about a nagging concern that I hae personally.
Joe Preston

Good post. I am also not a wimpy cuck. My wife and I are actually pretty equal in our relationship. I am probably a little more dominant, but I talk everything over with her and we tend to decide things together.

But I find interesting the idea that women's lib took away femininity.

Some of the most feminine women, I know are career women, who benefited from women's lib. Go into Victoria Secrets any day of the week and the majority of women shopping there will be career women.

My wife is mega successful professionally. Does she look unfeminine to you?

I just don't see it. I don't see women overall as less feminine than in the past. Obviously some women have chosen to be less feminine, but shouldn't that he their right?

You think all those farmer's wives all over rural areas of the US in 1800's and first half of 1900's were particularly feminine? Their present day counterparts are buying lingerie and getting manicures and pedicures at the mall down the street.

I think we're mourning the passing of an age that never really existed.

for_fun_and_games

Semantics me thinks....

Feminism is the belief that men and women are equal and ought to be treated as such in the law (suffrage) AND in society. By trying to minimize gender roles, feminists in theory fight for both men and women-- gender roles promote insecurity in both genders so it's not just a problem for women.

Of course there are extremists as in any set of beliefs and feminism is no exception, but overall it IS SUPPOSED TO BE about equality, not privilege (which is why many feminists don't support chivalry, but then many even many even have a notion that feminism is about superiority, not equality.) Problem here is that gender identity is unclear in the sense of gender responsibilities. Perhaps some fear it is because women have lost their femininity and the lines between male and female are now blurred. OK, I understand that argument.

I tend to resolve it like this:

Consider that feminism is about equality.....then the question is: can a woman be both feminine and equal? Sure......Hell, I prefer that, that strength and equality makes her all the more compelling. Sort of have your cake and eat it too!

I think that's what you are describing, YES?

I did mention earlier in this thread that it is not unusual to find "real" feminists swooning over "real" men. I say it works, both ways.


But enough of this, I think I’ll leave the whole state of feminism and femininity for its own thread.


But then remember this: The strongest sign of the decay of a nation is the feminization of men and the masculinization of women
Joe Preston

redimac;

The only men that went through the heat of the fire and emerged unscathed were: Shadrach, Mesach and Abednego (Dan 3:26,27 KJV).

They never even developed any secondary male characteristics as they were prepubescently castrated.

These are the only men I can find documented to have emerged from devasting fires unscathed.

Kind of blows a hole in your masculinity/fire comparison. Yes?

Peace.
..............PSEUDO PERSON

I_A_S_P

Really??

It has been pointed out by biblical scholars that Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego's names all pertained to pagan Babylonian gods. Perhaps one could pose the question why the Bible uses them intact as an example. It is speculated that they are identified mostly by their Babylonian names to maintain the accuracy of the dialogue given in the text. Likely in this context they were not men at all, but gods....who could live unscathed in fire. (Or at least a reflection of an interesting and prideful legend, of which early biblical authors are only too happy to adopt as theirs) No balls? Not all Babylonian gods were identified as having them. When you are a god, doesn’t seem to matter one way or another.

On to your premise......So when we say men are forged in fire you think that I believe literally there is a ready forge for this? Sort of gives new meaning to “creative thinking...”
Joe Preston

redimac;

I'm saying that masculinity, testicles and such is absolutely unrelated to bravery, strength, and other attributes males in their vanities claim as their's exclusively. Any man, woman and even child can and often does perform "manly acts" of valor.

You have some brilliant ideas but sometimes sound like 3 radio stations coming in at once.

You brought up a number of good points in your original post. This will take some time to digest and engage in poignant conversation about the subject.

I'll soon answer denny 1970's post and may be able to supply more of my thinking in that post.

Peace.
..............PSEUDO PERSON

I_A_S_P

I await your defination of what a male should be.
Joe Preston

i am almost silently enjoying this 'expression of thought' and so love the pov's of the wonderful and loved l dr seuss