White male submission

Well, here’s something I should put to rest. One can’t pick up a magazine or listen to a discussion about the black community these days without reading about “DL brothas”, or black men that have sex with other men while representing themselves as heterosexual. There is a homoparanoia and fear that is largely media driven that is telling black women that they need to question every black man they meet because he might be having sex with other men. Certainly, black men must be driven by their desires more than any other portion of the population because this “DL” trend is so rampant among black men, or so one is lead to believe by the books, articles, and discussions that are so prevalent today.

As a Bull, in a professional position, I have the unique opportunity to be in a position where people come to me and tell me their fantasies as a function of my career. There is a HUGE and very stealth underground sexual movement that is growing that has escaped any mainstream examination whatsoever. While black men’s sexual practices have been put under a microscope and they have been demonized in the media as sexually irresponsible and morally bankrupt latent “faggots,” white men have been able to slip under the radar, with stealth efficacy, with their sexual secrets. The numbers of white men that come to me and tell me that they have fantasies of being sexually submissive, not only to black women, but also to black men, is STAGGERING. Literally, thousands of white men have approached me in the last several years, all reiterating very much the same themes in their desires, that they believe that white people are inferior, that they want to pay for the atrocities of slavery by their sexual servitude to black people, that black people are more beautiful.
The point is that not every black man is gay. Nor are many Bulls. Seems to me that white cucks are living in a fantasy where they can atone for the sins of the past by submissive servitude to a black bull in reality or fantasy.
Joe Preston

Interesting observations, Reddimac. As one of those white males, I have to agree. I'm a young, married white guy, but I have VERY powerful fantasies about being submissive to black men. I remain attracted to women, but the sight of a good looking black man (and his cock) makes me very excited. As to what the psychological roots of this are, I don't know. I don't think that its suppressed guilt over "the sins of my ancestors", but, being from the South, that could have something to do with it.

As for the widespread nature of the trend, I don't know how unbiased my observations are, but there are a heckuva lot of white guys who love interracial porn.

Well put Andy. I am white and have absolutely no desire to kiss a black man,but under the right circumstances,I love to suck a blacks cock. And sucking means to give pleasure to him and receive his semen orally....submission...and I do love to see white women with them,all ages but married ones especially!

Redimac, I think the gay phobia comes from data showing AIDS more prevelant (percentage wise) in the black community. As I'm sure you know, being black and gay is looked down upon, unlike the white community where it is much more accepted. This probably comes from sterotypes about black male superiority and dominance of women. In any case, you have homo black males fucking both guys and girls without protection causing a health epidemic. All women should be concerned about this.

As for white males being submissive to blacks and regrets over slavery, that's one thing this white boy aint into. I dont give a flying fuck that blacks were slaves because my family had nothing to do with that shit. They came over from Europe in the late 1800s or early 1900s eating pasta and playing a fiddle. I'm proud of my european background and could care less about fucking reparations and jesse jackson. You want respect? Get a fucking job.

I don't think that's true. Maybe of some. Most - it's just sexual desires gone wild. Many men have a desire to submit to a dominant woman. And, the natural progression of that is to then submit to her by letting her do it with other men. A part of that is to submit to the man. The black man- white woman thing is b/c that has, in the past, been a sort of taboo. It's still an erotic fantasy to visualize. And, couple that with the reputation of black men being more well endowed and it makes sense.

I don't think it has anything to do with atoning for sins of the past - though some may get to feeling that way. Do you feel you need to atone for black people's sins in the past? It's nonsense. It's not to justify racism in any way. But that's not the motivation here.

Ultimately, it's about libido and in many instances that the wife is not pleasing the man in their relationship and he doesn't want to cheat or lose his wife - so he goes down this road. He can have his wild porn and keep his wife, basically.
MelSubHub

If I recall correctly the DL thing was really getting a lot of press because it was linked to an increase in new HIV cases among black college age males (I think it even mentioned Atlanta). I think it specifically said it was black male students having sex with other black male students because that was the only group where the new HIV cases had a very rapid sudden increase.

I don't know if you're familiar college dorm life these days but, with first year students not living at home for the first time in their lives, they have a tendency explore....in the past that involved drugs and alcohol but now sexual preference seems to have also become a big factor at some schools....at lot come out of the closet within their dorm life only.

As far as the white men having fantasies about being with black men....I think that's a long time fantasy for white men and stays that way an overwhelming percentage of the time. Making it a reality, even if they want to is a lot easy said than done.

Now if you think about what happens at a dorm.....you've got nothing but basically what you can think of as bedrooms, everyone there is the same age and many (sometimes even a majority) what to explore their sexuality....probably peer pressure may plays into it as well.

How about more true stories of whites,couples,males,and females submitting to blacks.....

"Well, here’s something I should put to rest.........Seems to me that white cucks are living in a fantasy where they can atone for the sins of the past by submissive servitude to a black bull in reality or fantasy"
Absolute RUBBISH!
"Seems to me that Black men are living in a fantasy where they can recompense themselves for their hangups regarding slavery by attempting to dominate white men,whether in fantasy or reality"
Each of those comments are as outrageous and racist as each other.
There may be a small minority of white men who feel this way,but judging by the previous replies, it is most certaianly NOT the norm!

There is nothing new under the sun.

Always have the wealthy sought sex with the lower classes.

In London during the 1700's it was called slumming.

In ancient Rome the wealthy wives sought sex with the gladiator slaves.

In the 1950's the fantasy was the housewife and the gardner.

America and Europe are so wealthy today that the majority of people live today what would have been called the life of the idle rich a few hundred years ago.

Idle rich men today, as in Shakespere's time, get softer bodies and lowered testosterone. They become more effeminate.

Idle rich women today, as in Roman times, seek their pleasures in the arms of the ultra macho slave. Or as emporer Claudius's wife did, fuck the whole pretorian guard.

A slave or a soldier are safe because they must obey orders. The woman (or her husband) have nothing to fear from gossip or from love.

This IMHO is what is behind today's infatuation with interracial sex. Middle aged men who have become effeminate and wealthy women who have reached the time in their lives where they have become more dominat, seek a gentle, kind but obedient macho man for their pleasures.

Quite the opposite of wanting to atone for the ancestrial slavery, the whole mandingo scene is actually a form of slavery. The fantasy would not be so important if the husband and wife thought of black people as equals.

In all honesty I click away from stories or pictures on this web site where the whole emphasis is on black. Not all stories or pics, just the ones where the capital and bold type is BLACK. I much prefer stories about SEX.

All JMHO.
MD

Thanks for your intersting and intelligent post, Married Dom

I wonder of the "atonement for slavery" rationale is a way for some white males who enjoy being submissive to Black men to explain to themselves why they do it? Who knows - but just a thought. It cannot be such a good rationale for those white males who come from places or backgrounds where slavery did not figure - or more importantly does not figure now as a historical fact that influences contempory life.

I blame Terry McMillan. First for marrying the guy. Then for blowing it all out of proportion. First, she mad a bad decision by marrying someone she hardly knew. Then she turned into the media-seeking banshee from Hell when he told her he had a little "hobby" on the side and made a social phenomenon out of it. He seemed to just want to get away from her (and I really do wonder if the guy was really messing with men, or just thought it would be the quickest way to get out of her life).

White men just haven't had their Terry McMillan yet.

I agree that there's a wealth of cultural baggage that goes along with any interaction between people of different races - not to mention the baggage around male/female social interaction - and sexual interactions are no different. Social sterotypes feed into fantasies as much as personal experiences and general physiology. But, if you want to know why there are so many articles about black men messing around with each other lately, don't look at white people's guilt this time. Look at Terry McMillan.

Several of my black lovers enjoy when my cuck hubby cleans them after we have sex. One of them recently engaged him in anal sex without a condom and it really turned me on and we made luv a second time unprotected. I was really upset with him especially after I found out that he lied to me and he went both ways and preferred men to women.
You can never tell anymore and especially who knows where his beautiful cock has been!!

Yes, I'm sure you are... A professional, anyway. LOL

Black males are responsible for nearly all the STDs transmitted in urban areas these days. As a "professional", you must be absolutely proficient in this regard!

Do you have nothing to offer but tired stereotypes and well worn stories of oppression?

You are sexually submissive in your demeanor. Poor black man now reclaiming his birth right by fucking white women... BORING!

Why be submissive? Are you responsible for slavery? I think not.

Africans thousands of years back practiced slavery, and Arabs (Mulslims) later perfected the trade in human cargo. Europeans benefited, briefly, from this trade, and then put an end to it in the late 1800's. Until the 1950's human slavery was still going on in Africa and some insist that human cargo is still a business in North Africa.

So, who should be submissive? Many Africans I deal with want the British and Dutch back. They just can't run things without them.

R Couple
Ah, the good old days. When Thomas Jefferson penned the words, "All men are created equal," he could not possibly have envisioned how literally his own slaves and others would take his words.

R Couple

I made some observations about the perceived nature of things. Nowhere in this post do I describe my personal actions...and yet you suggest that I'm passing STD's, and submissive among other things? At best, that's funny. Pretty big leap, no? Thanks for your elegant but empty contribution to body of knowledge.

treasuredavid

I do counseling (It's a job stupid), and no I don't cruse gay bars asking for sex.
Joe Preston

treasuredavid


Sorry to bust your bubble, the Danish Government and Businesses controlled many of the The coastal ports where these Africans were assembled, and from where they were exported, located on the map extending from present-day Senegal and Gambia on the northwest to Gabon on the southeast. The germans? Didn't the Nazi's prove their point? Perhaps you should review a little more history b4 you make assumptions.
Joe Preston

R Couple
Ah, the good old days. When Thomas Jefferson penned the words, "All men are created equal," he could not possibly have envisioned how literally his own slaves and others would take his words.

R Couple

I made some observations about the perceived nature of things. Nowhere in this post do I describe my personal actions...and yet you suggest that I'm passing STD's, and submissive among other things? At best, that's funny. Pretty big leap, no? Thanks for your elegant but empty contribution to body of knowledge.

treasuredavid

I do counseling (It's a job stupid), and no I don't cruse gay bars asking for sex.
Joe Preston

I fail to see how a black alpha male asserting his dominance over a little white sissy in any way could possible suggest homosexual tendancies.
a lot of white sissys arent gay either (mostly married)but have come to realize their natural role in life.

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redimac

It's amazing the hostility your post dragged out in some people. I remember when you wrote it and I just read it again and I don't get what there is to get so twisted about....especially towards you.

Yes it is DaniSub, I am not sure why it does. We all have our own quirks and I am surely one of those with quirks. I have had fantasies of being a submissive to a black male, and I have lived out some of those fantasies.

I don't think that there is any one race passing STDs any more than another, if you participate in the activites it is a personal responsibilty thing to make sure you and your partner are safe.

I see a lot of hostile people on this board, and we have enough problems to woryy about with people who don't like boards like this and would be happy to seem them banned.

DaniSubTV
Well, I'm a big boy, and don't take things personal.

gussie

Exactly!
Joe Preston

We all have the right to express ourselves, as long as it doesn't harm others. We also have the obligation to respect the rights of others, as a group here we normally do that.

Sometimes some post set people off, I have been called quite a few things even on this board because I enjoy both men and women. Race isn't important to as much as integrity. I have always been fascinated by IR porn, who knows why. It could have something to do with my mother having Black lovers as i was growing up, or or maybe not. I am not a doctor. My job is more public service oriented.

I have met Black men on the DL, as well as white men and hispanic men, so it's not race exclusive at all. Most are married and their wives don't know, while in the Army I met quite a few that enjoyed sex with men and you really need to be on the DL there because it meant a court martial and a felony conviction.

There are outside forces that would love to see boards like this shut down, and would be happy to propagate the misinformation that gets posted sometimes. We as a group need to enjoy what we enjoy and let others do so as long as it brings no harm to one another.

gussie
Well said.

Only a blind idiot would consider labeling an entire race submissive, or dominate or religious, or subhuman and any other label. It is individuals who make certain choices in their life and lifestyle. I guess this is lost on most…….as to labeling someone, perhaps, that is best left the individual involved, yes?
Joe Preston

My orig post was based on what many self proclaimed cucks expressed. I simply found it interesting. Imperfect or flawed perhaps, but interesting non the less.
Joe Preston

Haha..you are joking right? White guilt, black dominance, sounds like rationalizations for simply being gay. I would be curious to see how many cucks are from a background that actively discourages homosexuality in a way that makes guys feel like they have to come up with some alternate theory as to why they like to suck dicks. The same goes for bulls that fuck cucks. I certainly understand the whole hotwife/cuck fantasy from a biological perspective in that infidelity is a strong, natural aphrodisiac. However, when you are licking a guys ass, sucking him off or being fucked by him, I suspect it has less to do with his "superior" status than your own homosexuality.
hrdshaft

hrdshaft

It's pretty clear to me as well. Although if you read what I write around here, I let the cuck's label themselves...and many cucks (in my antidotal experiences) do call themselves gay as they progress in the lifestyle. But you are correct in your observation about societal pressures. I suppose that is not surprising that here many would rather be set on fire than be labeled....gay.


Bulls that physically use some guy in any sexual way in my mind are likely gay as well. I understand the difference between using submission and other tools and having sex. But that's just me. Call yourself what you will. For me the actors and their actions speak to the "reality."
Joe Preston

I posted this in another thread, but perhaps it helps clarify my personal thoughts:

I don't care if cucks are gay bi or whaterver.... I do have an intellectual curiosity as to how they think about themselves however.

I still say, most cucks I come across are closet gays, and very few are really open w/ their wife about their orientation. And then there are those who prob are gay, but don't have a clue.

Like any orientation, gayness is very blurry, particulary in this lifestyle, yes?
Joe Preston

I don't know about orientation, I do know that I am attracted to both men and women. My wife knows about it, because she joins me on occasion, she likes men, and has had sex with women.

I have been called quite a few things both on line and in person, I don't label myself I leave that to others, I think of my self as a versatile opportunist.

Now I expect some men will think I am gay, and some will not. Have I engaged in gay sex, yes I have, did I enjoy it, yes I did. Have I engaged in hetero sex, yes I have did I enjoy that yes I did. I am not exclusive as to gender, just exclusive who I partner with.


Most of my male partners who met with me and the wife are married, sometimes their wives also joined, and sometimes I cannot lie were with single men, normally I take the submissive role. It has nothing to do with guilt or anything like that. I like to please people, whether it be men or women.

I don't fanatasize about just one gender, but I have fantasies about both, am I in the closet, with most people I probably am. My wife knows as welll as a few close friends, but to the outside world I appear to be a normal middle aged man, I pay my bills take care of my children and go to work. because of my job, I am very discreet with my lifestyle, some people do not understand anything they don't want to.

Would I turn down an encounter with a woman or a man, depending on how they present themselves probably not. Would I choose one over another, again it depends on how they present themselves.

There is a lot of pressure in today's society to come out one way or another, but being stubborn I will probably continue to have sex with both genders just to have fun.

redimac, are you mixed race? curious as to your own experience.