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# Posted: 17 Dec 2007 18:34:59 · Edited by: DaniSubTV
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Ron White, the bourbon drinking, cigar smoking comedian that sometimes appears on Blue Collar TV, in his solo stand up performances tells a story about how he commented to Larry the Cable Guy (from Blue Collar TV) that we're all bi-sexual to some degree. Larry, according to Ron is very homophobic and immediately disputes that by saying he has absolutely no interest in another man at all.
Ron intending to prove that even he is starts off by asking him if he likes to watch porno. Larry says, "Yeah of course I do, you know that....you know I like porno".
Ron then asks him, "OK, so what then, you only watch lesbian porno, stuff with no men in it".
Larry says, "No, no, no....I like regular porno".
Ron replies by asking, "OK, so you only watch stuff with guys in it that have little dicks then, I guess".
Larry, holding his hands up with about a foot of space between them and giving no thought to what he's about to say replies, "Oh no, no.....I like great big dicks".
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damian70
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2007 18:50:09
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Almost everyone is bi do you read?
Gay... a real man? that's a whole can of worms to be misinterpreted... it can be taken alot of ways and insulting I do not wish to be.
But reality, a woman experimenting or crossing over at will and being sexual with other women is acceptable... Why Because Women did not allow lesbians to Take Femininity away from them. Two women together... is two women together, lesbians, If a woman is Butch and does the whole dike ting, she is ...absorbee within womanhood an anomoly amongst Millions of women that share sexual experiences with each other...women that aren't lesbians. Men are attracted to two WOMEN being together.
Men and in saying real men I mean Mean MEN that walk and talk i ways that are Masculine... don't act like FAGS... If men associated two women sexually with Dikes and a girlfriend breeched that subject most men would be absolutely f'n disgusted and turned off.... the reposnse would be..."Your a g-d damned Dike"
Just as it is when a woman would for the most part encounter a Man asking about some Male Male play involved, She will think as many do... "He's a FAG" and be disgusted
It's not that Two MEN together is a turn off to women, it's not alot of women find the thought completely HOT... It's Two FAGS together that will make her run screaming and shit her pants if a guy breeches the topic
So it's not the sex act... it's the Sexualization and Persona of the person, it's not "Sucking a Cock" that defines Gay, it's a branch of Flaboyant manerisms and vocal paterns and body language that... is Completely out of kilter, comes off as a kocker and is a major turn off and general wierdness to the vast amjority of people.
Even take cross dressers, alot of people can understand that... it's simple man feels like a woman... they can "get" that easier than they can get... whats going on when a person is Gay, there is an entire set of behaviors niether Male or Female..is mockery of female strong? sorry, alot os therapists claim that... and when a cross dressee tries to act like a woman, they might not succeede... But, they try where ad GAY mannerisms... for those homosexuals that embody that, it's not really womanly... it's Funny sometimes, we can appreciate Gay friends, I'm not a biggot in any way... but the mannerisms are not male or female they are GAY, there own thing really... and sexually it's a monster of a turn off for most women just as a woman being diesel would be for a Guy
So "Real Man" yeah.... sorry, Majority rules, world wide Human behavior Masculinity and Femininity have defined behavior patterns and manerisms... a real Man as in, MANLY on a scale from nice guy to big Alpha... but a Man
Gay and Manly even when you go to a Butch gay attitude, the mustachoio and leather thing... it's still kind of an over emphisis... a gayness in it that's apparent
The sexual mannerisms... what is so hard to understand that I have to struggle for words? GAY, we all know what GAY is and it's not about the stupid sex act of touching another MAN
Gay is a culture a way of acting and being it's by and large in many ways because Men lack the ability to claim thier sexuality as women have...overrun Heterosexual behavior...
Come on...anything that gays associate themselves with MEN run from, run far and fast... and the aversion does not come from the sexual preactices niether for Men nor from women... it comes from a desire to not be...FAGGY, Faggy is worse than cross dressing etc... it's a social stigma and the most Tolerant of us, who have Gay friends and think they are funny or women who enjoy their company still as tolerante as people have become, we all stll sexually negatively associate FAG as a bad thing sexually,
Why do so many women if this is not true... liberal, smart women...if they here a Guy has a Male fantasy Freak the F out and go "oh my goooood heeee's GAY he's a damn Faggot" That's the bulk of the real... Is the guy Gay for thinking or oplaying or just being Bi.... Hell no, but the asociation is Instant...
This doesn't happen to women, women claim their sexuality and do it AS WOMEN, Lesbians are Absorbed within women as a whole, GAY stands apart and has been allowed to fracture Masculinity, not the fault of Gay men aside from a certain militancy, but more the fault of MEN who back away rather then even confront association with anything that could label them... especially any appreciation of MALENESS...
Look it really is Very Simple GAY is GAY, Gay people know from the dang start they are GAY that they are diferent, sex play, same sex play dominant and sub, the mating dance and all the rest is ALL OF US, the BULK of Human Beings, GAY is an isolated thing, it is it's own complete thing seperate entirely from what is the way the rest of us are sexualized, it is DIFFERENT and NOT because of the sexual act performed, a blow job does not personify homosexuality. Gay is exclusive to same sex only, it defines Love of the same sex, a desire ro MATE with a person of the same sex, what it is exactly... I don't know, but I do know a person knows if they are... I even have alot of trouble with the "LATENT" BS because I see alot of those guys as Pushed when they are Bi into assuming one role or the other and repressing any same sex fantasy so long... they adopt a Gay PERSONA later on to indulge a desire, but I don't think alot of mwen in those marrages are actually gay but rather... a victim of a repressed fantasy and subjugated to their only expression of it being entering the homosexual lifestyle because they are forced to chose one or the other by individuals who demand that Bi doesn't exist when...it does, it is by far the common sexual orientation. I believe alot of men who "Turn Gay" are real suffering a TRAUMA by a complete unacceptance of thier sexuality
I grew up in NYC, spent lots of time in the Village, Gay people knew they were Gay...every one f'n knew they were gay the minute they hit puberty even if they didn't instantly, and usually they did...
Play on words... Gay not a real man... just stop with pc crap[ and get to what the issue is, Real Man... as defined by normal species mating habits..cut out the innuendo and pc crap, it's not insulting or at least not meant to be... Homosexuality...stands outside of entirely, the reproductive mating affairs of the entire species... that does not make it bad... it is what it is... but it isn't most people and it's Fucked up when homosexuals practice complete intolernace and seek to group Men in as homosexual and use a simple sex act as the reason or brand anyone as being like them based on that, it damages normal relations between people who do not experience things as they do...
it's horribly Obnoxious that Homosexuals, who very often by their own words describe themselves as lonely and isolated succumb to the "misery loves company" philosophy and seek very often to group in or come up with statements that would define absolutely standard same sex issues with what they got through in life..which is being GAY
Homosexuals are militant in a belief that they know everything about sexuality due to their experience, and the truth is they don't at all, they are an isolated group that is genuinely different and stands out, the desire to seek to find commonalities is understandable, but enforceing them where they don't exist is as wrong as what was done to them in the first place.
A real man...biologically sure... but inreality what is a man, in the scheme of things the world does revolve around reproduction and a man is defined by the classic sex role of a man and the mannerisms that go with it. A Man in the end is defined by A Woman and what she desires... when you are Gay you Fall off the scope... being Labeled Gay for a guy that LOVES women would be a f'n nightmare
If you are Gay and you read this...then relate, because gay men...the commonality that exists in here with homosexuality, is that people have been branded by their sexuality....that's the common factor and the only real one. If your gay you have known some kind of pain of unacceptance and should want as a person to see another human being not go through that kind of crap, tthe awnser is not, grouping these men in with you, but rather supporting their male identity as it Is...
Hetero/bi men who are Massive in numbers, the bulk of all men are all scared shitless of being grouped in as gay, they hide from natural roles, lack closeness to their own sex and deviate from many aspects of life to avoid this...an there is a reason for this, they have whatever desires they do or fetishes or curiousity or open mindedness or whatever... but they aren't Gay... they don't Love men, they are on a normal scale of sexuality. The dom sub thing in the mating game IS the NORM, IS REAL and IS PLAYEC out everyday, just repressed and masked to avoid any llink to homosexuals who are in the end...different sexually then the population at large
I'm sorry I used the term disorder in the first post... and as I said, I have fetishes some would say a fetish is a disorder too, I choose to keep them, they are fun, maybe couldn't change it if I tried, maybe I could... I wouldn't bother trying, it's my sexuality, it makes me unique, I am not saying that homosexuals should change, NO, No way... enjoy, be who you are...
But whatever kinks or fetishes or crossover behavior most men have and most have some... they in the end Love women, I couldn't imagine personally a male Male Love Affair, Kissing a man is far more Gay then a Cock.. there is NOTHING, nothing there for I think most of the men that have this fantasy in terms of Homosexual Identity...
The desire to dominate another male and be with his woman or vice versa... is something we see EVETWHERE in nature, it is absolutely completely the NORM, Homosexuality is a major turn of to most people... It stands by Itself as a unique experience Homosexuality does not exist outside of Humans and that screams PSYCHOLOGY not GENETICS for starters. It is NOT the SEX ACT, women LOVE Sex with two uninhibited men who do not get homophoboic about contact... just as men love the same with women.... With WOMEN... Not Dikes... WITH MEN not FAGS... do you get it?
A Man being with another Man with a woman is Hot and can be played out exactly as it does in sex with all mammals and it is desireable sex and it has it's own place... A Man that LOVES Men is Gay and has lied and wrecked a womans life.. it is a f'd up thing and there is clear distinction between the motivations and desires involved
There is NOTHING that resembles a gay bash in any of this homosexuals just need to end the propaganda bs...your not GAY unles you are GAY and yes there are some people in denial but they are f'd up and definitely do not compromise the bulk of people. It is Homosexuality that stands outside the spectrum... and you can't bring everyone into your sphere or get insulted when peole say "hey i'm not like you" Most by far...most gay people know it and live it, they could no more curl up next to a woman and be truely gay and hold her and Love her or say they do...then I could Juimp into bed every night with a man and curl up next to him...I'd Vomit every dang night...
A sexual instinct or the ability to shift roles or being bi... or any of it... IS NOT GAY... Homosexuals have by and large in many ways been given acceptance by a wide scope of people, they should do the same in return and not enforce their sexuality on others and the Gay Voice is loid and whiney as hell anddeep in the media andacademia and it tells alot of f'n lies... A desire to not be so alone in the world... It is Understandable and with that said and it goes for the also rare Purely heterosexuals... Check yourselves, CHECK YOURSELVES because you cause others HARM with insitance that everyone is you...
This Rant is not about discrimination of anyones choices.. but rather about the reality of Sex and the Vast numbers of largely straight men who get torn apart psychologically by desires that are 100% the absolute Norm every where in every species on Earth, the behaviors alot of men in here speak of... are simply NATURE, the way it IS, it is homosexuality and also in fact heterosexuality that is nothing more then a Construct created at Two EXTREME ends of the sexual spectrum
Deal with your own Issues that isolate You rather then bring everyone elses sexuality down... Homsexuals have a NARROW sexual Line... so do heteroSexuals
There are f'n Men out there who repress natural instincts for decads out of fear of being branded as You...fears generated by you and the FEW that actually have such a narrow set of sexual desires... these men end up DL brothers LOL or white guys loose their wives to a complete line of BS about sex pushed by a handful fo people who are FIXATED on One thing only... these men loose their lives and then enter the Gay community where they DO NOT ELONG... they are traumatized theymight die of aids or who knows what could happen, their children loose a father the men loose their IDENTITY
All because a handful of Queers and a Handful of rigid Heteros out there wont shut the fuck upo and deal withbthe facts of Nature and dominance and submissionas they really are...
And it's BS because alot of these guys Are REAL, they actually care about what their women desire, they are flexible in nature in my 20's I was a bull alot, now in a mode where I wish to be family and work all the time etc etc... I am capable of playing the role of CUCK which could be defined literally as Husband... how much time and energy does a man have when he supports others, compared to a womans desires and how many people are in the Middle of the sexual spectrum...not the two EXTREME ends of it... what most en talk of in here, aside from... the extremity perhaps driven from repressing the fantasy so much is 100% standard, normal, sexual behavior...
Then you have the guys... who want their balls cut off and to be pissed on and locked in the closet... WTF, are people so stupid that they can't see that Homosexual and heterosexual Far end, EXTREME sexuality and sick Control issues are beating the shit out of these guys to a point where they want to kill themselves... If they were GAY they would jump ship, but they F'n can't...so they are twisted apart, that these guys aren't Gay is obvious, the escape would be easy at some point they would give it up...
Sexuality itself is a complete mess... people should allow it to go back to where nature made it to be... in here there are some people and it's really all over now, that are in touch with Reality and breaking the stigmas and BS about what is "normal" and it's Not Gay they are replacing repression with... It would be great for gay people if it was but stop the wishful thinking, the real human sexual norms are exactly as they are in nature... where Homosexuality and heterosexuality Do Not Even Exist...
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2007 19:40:12
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The idea expressed above that 90% of all people are bisexual seems like a number pulled out of a hat. The idea that 10% of all people are homosexual came from Dr. Kinsey's report which we now know to have been at worst a lie and at best grossly unscienrific (his entire section on children and sex seems to have come from discussions with 1 person who was a former child molester). The real fugure historically for gays and lesbians seems to have always been around 5 %.
Lets disringuish between those who pers ue this stricl=tly as a fantasy and those who pracitce it, which I believe to be in the minority of people at this site, although I can not prove it.
Many of those into this are in no way homosexual and fantasize about being a submisive or cuckold based less on the pure sex thatn on the image of a powerful woman being in charge and absent that woman have no interest in her being replaced by a man.
The transexual thing is at least as popular with some due to the violation of the natural way and the fascination of the process and outcome as it is to being gay or straight. In s sense, much like **** is not an act of lovemaking, but an act of power, so to to some people this is an act of power over the man and with many can not be replaced by a man.
I score a 67% a year or so ago on a 500 question purity test. In other words, kniky but not totally submissive. \
Another question on the transexual thing is, Is it only transexuals and not normal women with strap ons? I might let my wife do something that I would let no other do.
Now as to those who do this full time and do not have agreed upon limits, well you might have something there, but lets decide what we are fishing for instead of scooping all the fish up with a huge net.\
I wrote in one of the cuckold caps files a few months ago that would not the man who allows himself to be cucked be as big a gay as he who sucks? I was roundly trounced on by someone who replied, in caps I believ, that no only the one who sucks was gay. I didn't buy that argument.
I apologize fir any mis-spellings. Those who read my stuff regularly know I have had many eye surgeries and typing is no longer something I am good at.
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2007 19:43:59
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damian70
You are leading us in rambling circles.....how about a succinct point, or points....
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damian70
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2007 20:24:40
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Redimac
Honestly, nice info, don't actually know that much about Sparta beyond generaliztions to be honest. I was making a general refrence, a comparisson that sometimes Males are the dominant sex and sometimes females are...
When I say dominant, I mean that one sex is Free to be same sex sexual without being labeled as Gay, the sex in power usually has that option Sparta perhaps an extreme example from what you say... but I can see clearly in art and architacture there were plenty of times when men enjoyed the worship so to speak women today do, the freedom of expression, that really in fairness should exist for all people in all times if we are to truely live in a free and honest society
Women aren't "gay" for appreciating their sexuality... men are labled as such when they do... it's silly to me, it's classifying another person... and we do it by race and by sex and really whatever games we play sexually we all know there is no truth to these generalizations, I know fro a fact the vast majority of people have same sex tendencies at some point or another.
Cl;assification of GAY.... yeah, smart there is No clinical classification, none at all... just bias and common ideas perhaps... Gay implies something and it doesn't include love or women when refering to gay men... it's used as a branding Iron... it takes Men away from alot of things, anything it is associated with from Ballet to art or... experimenting with or being in a 3 way with another man.
Gay whatever your personal definition... when you say a person is Gay your not saying they have done something with a man...your labeliong them at the least as predominately male sexually oriented. I think In this forum and maybe even in practice what you may find is some masquerades going on... but the Millions of Men involved in this fantasy, particularly the ones who don't post and the ones who don't act or the ones that have wives at home that they blissfully make themselves unaware are dressing so nice all day...NOT for them... are cucks or into it or buy a zillion subscriptions to penthouse letters...
Those guys...are by and large Straight, and it's wrong to label them gay by any definition, you can say... they engaged in a homosexual act if you like although still a bit barbding or you can call them Bisexual and have that argument...
But saying they are Gay... thats really an isolated perspective, one largely enforced by 2 ends of the sexual spectrum... extrem hetero sexuals and extreme homosexuals... the conservative academics and the Homosexual academics that by and large push their personal preference on everyone else... and that really is academia, I live that... it's either radical Loberal or radical conservatiove with few middle of the road philosophies that reflect the norm...
In this I see the problem... the extreme, need to validate themselves, it's one way or the other...for a pure hetero (perhaps you fall in there from what i have read?) it is one or the other you touch a dick...your gay and the same applies to homosexual thought...
The thing is the Average person... isn't always so sure of themselves...they don't walk a line, they don't always follow through on a career or achieve the position to speak aloud or even want to...they aren't so 100% posiotive about anything... thats, most people, they don't have much of a voice... those that say it's One way, they have stayed on one road they habvea very Clear Focus that can apply to anything in life sexually or otherwise...
In a way there has to be a comfort in that... it makes things stable, some people don't like change and will fight against it particularly if it affects them in anyway. But realistically it's just not so cut and dry for everyone, there is range or pehaps some people just like to bodly challenge thibgs take the risks see for themselves by experience.
None of that changes a simple thing though, Homosexuality and Heterosexuality do not exist in Nature anywhere but as constructs of the human condition and as intellect coming to terms with instinct. Alot of bizzare behavior is created when animal insticts are rationalized by the human mind.
A definition of Gay... to me it says you Love men I define Homosexuality to be what i feel for wome directed to the same sex... it goes beyond SEX which is animal and also holds Love in the definition.
I don't think a person is Gay unless they feel for the same sex what i feel when i look at a beautiful woman..Rapture, Love... a dying of the heart when she passes by you... a willingnees to die for her, to sacrifice everything Love.. if you can love Man your Gay
and if you feel that for a woman and not men your not Gay... and I keep my thought on that for one thing lol...simple. I see all around me in nature, the same stuff I rweasd here... Big dog approaches small dogs bitch, small dog oputs his ass out to avoid being driven off... a natural instinct that people deal with in authority and sex and life in socially conditioned wast every day. I don't think cuck or bulltnedencies... given the sheer Volume of Material sold on the subject and number of movies and sex p[atterns or people is gay... it hink by and large it is a normal Dom and Submissive pattern that all people share
My only concern and I'd hate to have it happen to me... is for guys who i know Lobve Women and there are MANY who gte pushed places or labeled for even expressing themselves suffering unduly for a a very, very common instinct they express... and that fear of that expression xcrives the urge to extremes that cause serious, serious issues for amny people, friends and family etc... guys should be allowed as women are to openly express without being labeled Gay
Because for real man... Bi is the numbers, Pure hetero and Pure homo sexual represent a vastly small number of people, been there watched it on the eye pointers seen the studies, seen the behavior, most people wander a bit at the least in life.. No guy should be pushed into the gay community because he took a handjob after 10 years of wondering about it, I'd even say that the taboo and the stigma makes it far more powerful thenurge itself ever actually was
What is Gay? I don't know man... I know it when I see it...two men walking obviously in love... I know I live for women I know my participation revolves around their pleasure far more than my own, that I get off on geting them off even in the extreme measure, I know it takes alot of love for a woman to be that guy and It;s the futhest thi g from gay
I also know that from being on the bull end as well... within all this, there are things that rock a womans world and that Women are largely put off in a major way, by all the Homosexual Talk... not the action, I know that being Taken by a younger man or different race or what have you, taken in mock as a roleplay of course, from her Mate is the primo Orgasm a girl can have, I know that by playing sub... it allows her to accept what otherwise would amke her feel like shit for doing... and alot of women, most perhaops do these things anyway just behind the back and in ways that make them feel like trash, I'd prefer to share the experience, i found that when i slept with other mens wives.. it gave the women a sense of sexuality, it most often heloped the marriage... I think woem really do get Ill, start to get sick if they ano longer feel desired...
and I think women are hurt when they are blocked into monogomy too strongly and I love women and want to see them happy... that's my biggest turn on in any pics man... The smile, that big happy... and sure in the process you observe and admire or desire what is included... but her smile, thats what it is all about, her being alive...they Love back real strong when they are allowed to without shame.
What is the price top pay for being a part of a womans sexual nature, of not controlling them... nothing, nothing at all... EXCEPT being Labeled as women aslo are by other men that wish to constrain sexuality...and you know, Black and White and Bi behavior it's all BS.... the real culture of the shame and worry in men, it comes from pregnancy... and thank g-d for the Pill... or there would be no America but a race war because with birth control that's effective and that allows for simulation of the real beastly thing... the way women are "taken" in nature by aggressive males, the craving that women both love and are shamed by... it's not real anymore, it's a game. It can be enjoyed without fear... For HER pleasure
Whatever the definition of Gay is... if we decide that any kind of same sex contact is Gay then we might as well relable the planet Earth by the name Homo World... because almost everyone has had some experience, some would say even you allowing the watching is gay, tht there is some latency and get off in humiliating him, that he is the real one getting fucked even if there is no contact... and there is a contact, just like guys watch Atheletes, Like Michael jordan and marvel at his grace... it's sports Real HETERO... they are gooning a Man, would it really matter if they see his cock or not, the whole afternoon sopent amrveling over a Guy... that woulmin theoiry be gay too... could it not be said he was beautiful when he moved? He was....
I don't think that;s Gay... i think thats also sports and Work...leadership... Just dominance and submission Male display behavior... it could be said a guy who can;t dribble aball satnding there watching another man do what he can not in fascination is homoerotic... This would be a an absolute thing siad in the Homosexual community...
But it's not... it's just normal Male Dominance and submission, social roles and how we function.
Gay to me... is the Two Guys watching Titanic together brethlessly as hey clutch each other LOL... Gay is Gay
I saw the DL post... I don't think those bothers are gay, I think that a thin soft white body is feminine to them and they are very masculine... to me gay is very clear... you are or your not... In the DL situation we know this Black men...all penis crap aside, have very high levels of testosterone... a heart attack an hr lower than normal life expectancy, what other factors this influences are debateable... but that the Testosterone level is on average alot higher is Real... left alone some of these guys will desire to dominate a more feminine looking male... Jail man, come on... it's everyone... it's not Like Gay which is a small sub group it's part of everypersons life...
how far any of us decides to play with it is a choice a conditioning a mind set... probably a good one in many cases not to go too far with it, but you play it, you dom them... allow the pressence, whats the difference really the action of dom and submission is the same... do they follow through on animal instinct and roll over for the dominant male or is it kept non physical... but it is really the same behavior just avoiding the contact, the sub males mate is being laid by another... the game is being played.
If a guy just watches, or never watches just views it in here and never even posts or if he actually plays the bitch... in any event he is being the bitch, does it make a guy more gay or less Gay or Gay at all to be the Bitch... how about at work when you have boss, you bitch when you do, when your wife spends all day at work taking orders from another man... your both playing the bitch... does the simple act of going the enxt step and fucking change all that much? I don't think so it may be for money when your wofe works for another man, shes his bitch for the day ... so are you...
So I'm saying most men are Cucks in a wide variety of ways in our society and Most people have same sex contact and same sex fantasies... actual contact or fear of it... I can't help but belive getting rid of it, playing it out... is healthier then bottling it all up...
And that Gay is completely something else entirely... It's a Love of Men if youe Man... and lol, that's Gay... huge imagination...can't even picture it... Hold me in your arms bleeeeehchh... One thing is just sex, Gay to me just says something alot more then sex... This fantasy doesn't even exist without the context of a woman, it's the interplay not the man by himself by any means... not everyonbes case in here, but I think alot of latents and gay emn come here...
but again, by the numbers of those interested... it's obviously a very common straight male fantasy... and Women really drive the bulk of th pleasure but are put off by alot of things.... even the WORD CUCK
is as Bad as GAY, it implies something rong with you.. hate that damn word it's degrading... She doesn't look at her man as weak or less...that's male dominant thinking, she can love him for being sensitive and that will go beyond a big dick in areklationship with a woman... way beyond it.... and it's the nature of how men chase and fight over women... this is the Norm in nature bulls cucking cucks and taking females, it gets her off, and we are wired for it...
Gay however you define it... is something else then cucking behavior an dif the latent thing is much bigger then I percieve it to be due to my own bias... I think that's sad, that people on the Gay end are still suffering that much to hide... I don't see it being very large an illusion by being active in the kink where these guys are active... I see a much broader coomubnity that desires but doesn't participate, I see Millions of people and they surely aren't all latents...
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damian70
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2007 20:44:43
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sorry man ;) I do that alot... I seriously do go to school for this and just read volumes...sometimes I go off a bit... my apologies.
The topic, it's just something i am working with atm and I talk to guys that really, really go through hell and are not gay, in a variety of areas, but I see people and ... it's f'n drag what guys go through...
It's a real Truth and I jyst have to share, people are pulled to pieces male and Female by the two dominant ends of Sexuality...The Alpha male hetero and the Homosexual they just Domiante between the two sides all of sexuality and it's not a good dominance like role play, it's a social disease.
I entered this and have another career, but council people now and... bro, guys try and kill themselves, it emerges in a million ways besides just Cuck, but Most men aren't gay amd they aren't dominant males either and they are xpected to be one or the other and there is just no reality to that.
They get it in evry way from work success and failure to relatoionships to evry aspect of their lives and the live in this...pain, misery...
Eben in the simplest...wome go for Alphas who almost never ever take long term care of them or support them emotionally and I listen to them cry too, and the bulk of guys are ridiculed for being exactly what they should be and ... a guy that wroks a 50 hr week and helos with kids and gets a bit older isn't going to sexually hack all her needs, and wives run away or go into bad relationships in the first place...
There is somehting within this that is largely natural and it revolves far more around Women then it does anythin Gay. I do believe that alot of men, really are in natural straight behavior...just pushed to an extreme by repression, they are good guys and open... real not at all Gay
I am me, I still won't post real because... I don't wish to explain and what do i do, mostly research now... and I play, but really abusy couple..how much can you even do... it;s a game.
But seeing men in tears a couple of times a week, dude... over what? I'm just emphasising a point and hard Gay and Hetero are the real extremes in life... Gay men particularly should know not to be assholes about peoples sexuality if they don't understand it... it f's up peole lives, send sthem to institutions can kill them. Ever see a Guy that realy loves a woman loose her in misunderstanding? Holy shit... it's bad
That's all, I ramble but I give a shit, I'd ahte to have it happen to me, I hate seeing it... f'd up world, intolerant, biased, everyone is me... you know? but just not true... wildly diverse, strange incarnations of animal vs intellect, people have to have fun with it and stop the labels because it's dangerous Gay and Hetero are rare it shouldn't be enforced
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Quoting: martin100 The idea expressed above that 90% of all people are bisexual seems like a number pulled out of a hat. The idea that 10% of all people are homosexual came from Dr. Kinsey's report which we now know to have been at worst a lie and at best grossly unscienrific (his entire section on children and sex seems to have come from discussions with 1 person who was a former child molester). The real fugure historically for gays and lesbians seems to have always been around 5 %.
numbers are for generalization, numbers cahnge daily... the bulk fall in aspectrum thats all Bi would alos be a bad word where is the line? there is none... the statement is simple... most people have fantasy or have acted in a non hewtero manner, people on the afr ends of the spectrum Lable and say...fi you Ever..your gay and the opush from Homo and Hetero is the Same... exact push... Your a Fag in essence is the goal of the thinking...if you do anything at all..your gay... Thats my only point, that they are the vast minority sexually... 90% 70% depends where and who you talk to...
But you have it correct Most of it is Dom and Submission.... We Focus all of our research in sexuality on homosexuality because oa small group Of loud Gay people who nevr want the spotlight off ther flamboyant asses dancing in the queer parade... the sing and scream and march and rally through the schoiols and government
and the compose a small group of genuine Homosexuals i think, I think the numbers grow only because they do bash the shit out oif any guy with a bi tendency work the media until any guy that expresses anything is a Queer and joins rank after being shamed and ruined froim any possible hetero behavior... it's a brand this kind of thinking, like "you got the cooties" they think that any contact makes you queer like them and they badger people into believeingbthis until we have this... isolation of anyone into two camps... like a war...
"there is no such thing as bisexual" 90% 80% who cares the Queer nazi have decided they don't exist..at all and so have The Conservitive males... and of course women who behave as nature designed them are F'n whores...
The thing is... I really see Pure heteros and Pure Gays as being right next to each other on the circle of the sexual spectrum Gay being more closely related to Absolute Hetero Alpha thought process than anything else... Juts extremely focoused thinking..which cam be good it's a tool, but not when applied to the human condition for other people
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2007 21:01:16
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sorry for typos... working and posting... busy day, horrific typos... my apologies
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2007 21:21:14
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Redimac:
And just as a point, here I am, I have 2 careers I love women, all around decent guy... Proud of who I am and what I have learned desire to share and communicate.
Agree or disagree with me alot of real personal experience and a big education and I care about people...
With that said... Youir listed as real, I don't wish at this time to go there. Why? Society factors which could affect my personal life, children, people who might choose to use it...
You are a Bull and stay well within certain guidelines it seems, no worries, if you Gay you have this support group legal and miliatnat and otherwise...
everyone esle, every other lifestyle... is still unaccepted but these 2, kinks and fetishes are still listed as disorderds and why? afoot fetish is a disorder where Gay is not... I'll bet anything there ar 10's of millions of men with one degree or another of foot fetish out there
But I talk to these people and straight up Gay which is not nearly as common is accepted for the most part... but explaining a foot fetish...and I have had these guys... can ruin a guy even if it's not compulsive...
So you have the opinions and life you do, and it runs in safe boundaries... but alot of stupid shit, just isn't even safe always to divulge publicly... what would that be like if a guy running for office was found to like to shoot loads on a womans feet... he'd be out of office maybe...
It's just an example... but I think the domination of the field by Two sides... that are not really representaitve or nearly specific enough to actually expalin or define a persons sexuality is abysmal
I'm not saying it's me... but we need another Kinsey, a door was opend but, like freud it was opened with alot of BS and generaliztions...
We haven't gone a stepo forwards in thought...since kinsey, we sit and harp on homosexuality and heterosexuality AS IF that is what compromises human sexuality and it's not...not nealry, not even close to it.. Millions in research reiterating the same shit and no conclusions... Not even a real definition of homosexuality...after 50 years...
If I am saying anything.. I am sayin the state of sexual knowlege is a god damned mess , it's archaic and riddled with falsehoods... Not saying my awnsers are THE awnsers... but I am saying alot is wrong. It's the same when you sit with people as it was 50 years ago... one group and one nich group only, Homosexuals has benefited in a real way... the internet has done more to open people up then all of science and society at large and through porn which helps expose, but also tends to be BS too...
My mind is kind of tripping on that comment you made... NO definition of Homosexuality... and it's like 50 years right?
I just know one thing, you can't just run around calling people gay or divying everyone up into the two camps... the nearest porn index has... 100 categories... no one is woerking on any of it... but Gay vs Staright and it's a Piss poor model for psychology and human sexuality
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2007 22:43:30
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Redimac, while a “real person,” doesn’t exist. Simply a nom de guerre which allows me to play here. I make no excuse for shaping my world, and having opinions. But I careful to call them that. I am very careful not to play with "fact/s."
SO you want a better model for gayness? OK, Sounds good to me. I believe that most would also agree it’s not simply a state of gay or straight. Pretty blurry me thinks.
Be careful in beatifying Kinsey. He was at best imperfect as a scientist. However understandable Kinsey's motivations may have been, the fact remains that his methodology was badly flawed. He was a master interviewer, and a number of prominent skeptics were won over by his ability to learn their secrets. Moreover, his strategy of interviewing entire groups (excluding those who cohered on the basis of their sexual tastes and practices) gave some promise of overcoming the difficulties of applying sampling techniques to questions about people's sex lives. But statisticians of Kinsey's day had difficulty responding to his argument that random sampling did not work in sex surveys because too many people refused to be interviewed. And how he classified subjects (prostitutes as "wives"; together for a year or more, "married," border on the fantasy of his selective perception. Even now, statisticians raise serious questions about his methodology.
Most agree that he recorded something interesting, but his methods, assumptions and analysis simply don’t measure up.
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2007 23:17:55
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Quoting: redimac Redimac, while a “real person,” doesn’t exist. Simply a nom de guerre which allows me to play here. I make no excuse for shaping my world, and having opinions. But I careful to call them that. I am very careful not to play with "fact/s." SO you want a better model for gayness? OK, Sounds good to me. I believe that most would also agree it’s not simply a state of gay or straight. Pretty blurry me thinks
YES!!! Your a good guy redimac always enjoy your input...
Exactly what my multitasking over worded mind is saying... Kinsey deserves respect in the way Freud does, for innovation but he was off on alot of things and methods could be better... whatever... He did do something.
The guy saved alot of people from being miserable, opened things up, much respect.
All I am saying is, I read the science studies religously and now i'm back spending a big chunk of my week working and studying this and... Nothing, Nothing of any real world value has been done since it's a chronic reflection of Gay and straight and it's kind of scary to me when those two sides have no desire to expand on the human condition.. we went from a uni polar world of sexuality to a bi polar one, and maybe thats worse in some ways diametric sides... not good.
Filling in the blanks and the details of peoples lives, nada mucho alittle here a litle there...
There is so much gay and straight input but even when a good study is done... like the one that cracks me up where it was determined that homo phobes had a higher rate of Male sexual arousal then Bisexuals and on par with Gays... even that doesn't really open up to the public...
Kinsey had shock value if nothing else, it got out there, these studies sit aside on the net in tiny columns only the few that care about read... Everyone else is left to the mysthology of TV and PORN which is fueled by agendas and fetishes...
I think it's extremely important... I'm working counciling people with Fetishes to be specific... Cuck and Bi and Interracial come up a whole lot... but aside from that not one person evenhas a rudimentary understanding of how fetishes form...
Whats interesting in here is that something about this hits a nerve of the real of nature. people accidently stumble on to things like "how do I convert her" lol or womens sexuality issues that are... becoming understood again, alot of this has been done in the past, in terms of womens spirituality aand sex magic, in the past when the priesthood still had females, making a man docile, using a bull and a husband as an arangement in marriage... these thinbgs were once it seems very real daily life in some places prior to the witch hunts which began after christ died. And the How do I get her to... people touch on the fundamentals of fetish formation, self discovery it interest me that of their own accord people are gravitating to the old ways away from all this bs of the last 2000 years.
Even the Interracial, oldest I can find Jewish women used in rights with Ethiopian men by Egyptiian Priestesses 3,500 years ago. Noithing here is new, maybe the reasonnfor the coloration of semetic people right there, because the Pharohs of the time were Caucasian... and so were The jews based on what we have dug up, after the Jews left Egypt... Egypt was slowly Blackened until there was a Negro Pharoh arouns 1500 BC...I think don't quote me on exact date... but it's interesting huh?
But htere is nothiong new in these practices and they aren't really tied to gay and straight... the common factor from then and Now is Slavery here in the States and then in Egypt... Dom and Sub
Very interesting parallels in this though
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2007 23:30:41
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And then you yearn for a good model,
Well, you are self described as learned intellectual, focus somewhere in this area...who better to develop such a tool?
BTW, it's rare for someone to start a discourse by disclosing that they are working on a phd in the very subject.....presumptuous, no? Most of us let our words and thoughts develop any needed credibility….
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2007 23:31:13
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Another odd one... Gay and Staright and the Gay belief you can't become Gay or Sub even...
Another factor back then, traces of Cocaine somehow brought from South America in the Mummies noses...
Both Coke and Meth I have seen create extreme sub desires I have talked to and known peeople that did Meth and were out and Gay a week later and it's become the Gay club drug of choice... sometrhibg about speed in it's various forms makes a person a bottom, coke shrivels the dick bad sometimes... it's use coinciding in Egypt with Black Bulls being brought in to Fuck and Cuck for them... not suprising to me
No one mentions the dope use in here, but I know for sure it's a factor in opening up people as sub... and that's a whole debate, if you can chemically oinduce sub or homo erotic activity... again what is homosexuality... it's definitely not one thing... which breaks a small population down...even more...
In any event I'm being way to scientific... someone plz write a good story about the Pharoh sniffing blow with his wife while the Ethiopian Bull Slaves rocked the world of the little Jewish Princess in the palace plz LOL ;)
Lol Egypt went Black after the Jewish F slaves left over the next Millenia, guess they couldn't kick the habit, how'd they get in the Royal blood Line... HA! Add that one to the Ultimate Cuck list.. From Red Headed Pharoh to Wesley snipes look alike in the same family tree, Moses got em good lol
Kind of trip that these slave owners keep the Egyption sybols in the paper work and so on... have to wonder about these guys, but it's a very strange parallel for sure
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2007 23:39:42
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Quoting: redimac And then you yearn for a good model, Well, you are self described as learned intellectual, focus somewhere in this area...who better to develop such a tool? BTW, it's rare for someone to start a discourse by disclosing that they are working on a phd in the very subject.....presumptuous, no? Most of us let our words and thoughts develop any needed credibility….
Yeah, kind of double dealing and not thinking as much of what I posted, and rambling as I said... I decided to divulge because I can get out there alot and this kind of bothers me a bit and wanted to be taken seriously and I only started back a couple of moths ago.... whatever, thought I should be honest that I don't just come to make up stories and wing it lol, am doing research as well. Just been dealing with the conflicts of sexual identity being so double delt between Gay and staright and it really, really is limited...
And your right who better... I really see aspects of things that need attention and haven't yet picked my exact focus... and well, how do i do this right is my real question. LOL If I do open my mouth and get very specific in Cucking which someone really needs to do... well, that will publicly make me Captain Cuck ... that's quite a social self Cucking, glad I have played with humiliation and can take it a bit right... but LOL you see the dilema of the why These topics haven't budged. I can see the 11:00 CNN report discussing my participations and research in the filed, makes for quite a day... A bit more Cucking atten then I might want to have LOL, Brothers lineing up from news stations all over the ountry to do the interviews... LOL the imagination can fly but... I am not an extreme person and thats being right on into personal attention of some level
Haha! Man, some balls... i'll have to have uinless I find a round about way...
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2007 23:54:16
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Dogs don't bark at parked cars.....
I challange you to keep thinking. But connect the dots. at least a few of them.
With respect to this topic, I posted earlier that I long ago stopped being interested in why...but I am clearly intrigued by what is..........
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2007 23:56:47
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"Both Coke and Meth I have seen create extreme sub desires I have talked to and known peeople that did Meth and were out and Gay a week later and it's become the Gay club drug of choice... sometrhibg about speed in it's various forms makes a person a bottom, coke shrivels the dick bad sometimes... it's use coinciding in Egypt with Black Bulls being brought in to Fuck and Cuck for them... not suprising to me"
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# Posted: 18 Dec 2007 10:39:56 · Edited by: DaniSubTV
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I've always found that a gay man described as being feminine was a bad description...the nasal voice and the limp wrists aren't really something that women don't do. What ever you want to call it, I think it justs like developing and accent and it happens very quickly sometimes.
When I was in college I had two first semester freshmen roomates for one semester (I was a junior then) that I rented a three bedroom apartment with in San Francisco. One guy I found through the school bulletin board and then he knew the other guy (they lived on the same street with their parents). The bulletin board was categorized by sexual preference and he had listed him self as straight. Well, you know what happens that first year at school when you finally get out from under your parents roof...students get a little crazy before they find themselves and settle in. This guy was 18 and he looked about 30...he could have done some modeling for Marlboro (actually he did end up doing some modeling)....he didn't have the nasal voice or the wrists thing at that point. It was about a month into the semester and he told myself and the other roomate he was coming out of the closet. The other roomate was straight, he was in school but, he also worked at a television station that was owned and run by a well known gay man in the community there.....probably 2/3 of the people he worked with were gay/lesbian. In no time at all, he was doing the voice and hand movements because it he picked it up from work but, he was straight, dated girls and had no interest in dating men....he hung out with people from work a lot though (that was what he was majoring in as well).
The roomate that came out of the closet, he picked up the voice and hand movements within a month of coming out (from going to the bars and clubs all the time). He never brought any men back to the apartment but, he was obviously having sex 2-3 a day with different men each time. AIDS wasn't in the news yet but, I remember him telling me about how a few people from the gay community had died and they didn't know why and then a week later it hit the news.....I know that slowed him down a bit.
Any way the "feminine" characteristics came from their environment...one was str8 and one was gay. I myself never picked it up living there for the semester (or the whole 4 years I was in San Francisco at school). I had the master bedroom and bath and ever once in awhile I'd go some where (to eat, movie, bar) with one or both of them.....I was at school or work most of the time.
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# Posted: 18 Dec 2007 11:58:27
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Interesting, yeah it's believeable... and that really is the exact point in a way. Environment, The homosexual community is a big pusher of the "there is no bisexual" philosophy and it's also one of the most common Gay propoganda myths that you can't be made into or become a homosexual...
Don't get me wrong I don't mind anyone, nor am I concerend with conversion LOL, but the Gay community comes up with alot of BS about sexuality straight out the ass... no pun intended... and there is nothing behind alot of it but a desire for acceptance, which I think alot of people give nowadays...
The mannerisms are learned... your saying it, TY and thta's fine, it's just kind of a stigma and een alot of other Gay people prefer sex with straight people when they can grab it.
Honestly, I have to say it in here and don't want to be insulting... I think the latency thing is mostly BS, I think alot of gay people just manioulate that as a way of having kids or sexing straight bi or curious or....come in here homosexualizing a couples lifestyle innthe end, in order to get straight dick, and it's kind of Ill because it's a forum that's in the end about a husband and wives fantasies, men want to necourage their wives and come off completely faggotty or take curiousities or minor bisexual twndencies and get to thinking they are Gay when badgered enough...
and Bi is real and people can "become Gay" you can lay down any behavior if conditioned or traumatized etc...
And honesly, I also wish that the entire act... the flamboyancy, woulbe rebelled against by more Homosexuals, it's stigmatizing and ridiculous, I don't think the Sex freaks people out... I also don't think, cross dressers or Transexuals who really try hard to imitate women have as bad a stigma despite being more extreme in a way... There really is something about the Gay persona that makes most Men want nothing to do with Homosexual Men.... alot of Gay men are Men or even if bottom, feminine or pretty men... but beautiful, and in the way we could care less what kind of sex a woman has if se is sexy and celebrates being a woman, the same would apply to men, and staright men would no longer have to be uncultured retards so often...
this goes way beyond cucking and stuff, Americans a s a whole are considered unculturted imbeciles in most of the world, and I see this trend as having developed because, cloths and art and music and books and so much more... has become associated with being "A Fag" so our sons are growing up...Gangsta or Goth or Redneck and anything but... cultured Gay men not having children...have a lock on creative careers which may pay weell...one day, but need you to be poor to get started, Homosexuals dominate, it would be nice if more... especially in Loveing MEN... Gave more time to Masculinity...
and some Gay people might hate to hear that, It is actualy far less then it was, I have noticed alot more Gay men act like normal people now then a decade ago and don't wear there man vaginas on their sleeves... But the Media and Academia.... the Loud ones talking all the shit and pushing things at people an dmilitant on what sex is and what it means and....siiighhh these guys just never let the act rest...
It's been how many years since Gyas began to come out of the closet? Come on, hang out have a beer LOL stop with the giant Bolas entirely, you don't need leather pants and a lisp to go to starbucks...and please no singing showtunes in the supermarket... People, like everyone else, mostly no one cares about what you do with your dicks and Gay people wouldn't need to push HOmosexuality and try and bash BI if they were just, part of the group a bit...
Not a conformist thing... I'm big for self expression, but the flamboyant thing isn't self expression, it's a uniform, a mask a Big Gay Mask and Halloween is over.. we heard, they are here and queer... we know already ..."you suck cock" hoorah... that's nice whats on TV? can we talk about something else now LOL
The whole bend "any male male thought or action ...Gya, your Gay, like us join us Your Gay your all Gay" LOL Like maniacs... Jehovah witnesses were bad enough... teaching kids Gay in school, that's not about acceptance LOL at the age they teach of this now... I wouldn't watch Mr and Mrs Brady Kiss... let alone want to know about Anal Play
People listen to agendas and believe this shit, the heteros start talking... utter nonsense... Guiys want to castrate themselves because they doubt their sexuality because they liked a cock they saw...
LOL I mean, Gee Wiz, the kid in the bunk next to you in camp touches your dick you need to join the Gay alliance in College according to some people, sex and curiosity and variant experience... go hand in hand, Most people who are really Gay know it and know it well... these Latents LOL mostlyt are just full of shit... :I din't know I had no arousal at all for women and was deeply in love with men and desired to jam on several dicks a night" what kind of crap is that... who believes that...you didn't know LOL...
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# Posted: 18 Dec 2007 15:21:57
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which i supose brings us back to
Quoting: everyman this is really all I meant by my post. being honest with yourself is better than fabricating some elaborate excuse to engage in types of activity that you would otherwise be too ashamed to pursue.
perhaps getting to know, loving and accepting onse self enough not to hide behind an elaborate excuse is not that easy in a society that represses ability to express these isues'
the belived consequence by far outweighs the desire to be free....?
living a life that you have been raised to believe wrong is a big factor in depression ,an infectious and potentially fatal desease.
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# Posted: 18 Dec 2007 16:44:40
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Going to call you out here as well:
"And hey , I don't mention it much... going for a Doctorate in the field... "
In another thread:
"I’m working to complete my masters"
Since you choose to include your academic credentials in you arguments, which one (if any) is correct? WTF.....
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Okay, I am enetering in Jan what should be my last semester of masters and heading into Doctorate, grades are good, just aced this semester, not in yet, but I know I did above my expectations, I am right now entering both finishing paper and semester for masters and working on PHD Thesis..
Thta probobly does sound like presumption, but I need to focus now on that Thesis and match and make useful body fo work as I finish this so my time spent is focused and I genuinely generated a real and useful body of work, I feel the need to have everything very specific and additionally, where I decide to finish is a very big factor and goes hand in hand with the Exact Thesis as I intend the topic, some institutions would be... more accepting than others depending upon what direction I use to present my work.
I'm dealing with Female sexuality and nonmonogomy and I have special focuses in my research in Male submission, Fetish formation, women's sexuality in pre history, female mating cycles and in terms of afult behavior and popular porn culture fem dom, women on top, cucking etc etc..
What I essentially am working with is the role of women from 0 Ad and back... particularly 6000 bc and prior. The information that is being uncovered shows a sexuality that as we go back leans to women in a normal social lifestyle that has a husband and alpha male companions as the normal way of doing things, a lifestyle more like a bonobo chimp then what we see for the last 2,000 years the gradual decline of that lifestyle from 6,000 bc to just after 0 ad when mary magdalene was essentailly shooed out of the holy land and essentailly erased from history in her real identity, this is where the Witch hunts began, what remains we have in modern life include Tantra and Judaic information and bits of Paganism and Wicca and a few others...
the role of women as Sexually dominant reduced to priestess around the dawn of "modern civilization" 6000 bc or so and eventually eliminated by violence ending with the death of christ who's last offense to the romans and rabbis was the saving of a priestess, the final straw... then came the slaughter
What remains we see are obscure in various forms, and the evidence that grows that women for most of human history practiced ...whatever we wish to call it, a form of female Led, intentionalkly formed fetishes, dorectly interfered in male youth sexual development to seperate dom and sub male types, kept a husband but also no monogomous love of ...bulls for lack of a better term, that the remants we see in these traditions from herbalism to sex practices were techniques that were ceremonial in control of males ...fertility rituals and so on...
The matching of practices to this particular lifestyle are fascinating in terms of how they seem to be re emerging in modern sexual culture in porn and in lifestyles... of their own accord from varied sources, the pill and the sexual revolution as instigators for a relaxing of male domination and the allowance of what seems to be, a more natural set of human sexual behaviors
Exactly how I wish to focus this... Is setting my brain to the melt setting atm, how I phrase it... and portray it and what I refrence is very crucial, a set of topics very inimidating to some and very different from how we currently live...
I have played around with fantasyish posts and conversations and introductions of this material, and rampant denail or abject Non Interest are common.
But that the natural cycle of women and the sexuality of women is vastly underrated and the power of fetishes and the ability to control and influence male behavior is real and was once used and what we refer to as witchcraft etc... or sex magic has scientific basis in reality, of this I have zero doubt at this point
The particular topic here, in regards to homosexuality, is involved in it, the norm for a long, long time revolved around males roles as dom or sub and women had multiple partners... Until the dawn of civilization as Men describe it, Race, sex role and more were in the hands of women it seems... evidence that what we even know of as race is by and large a more recent development then we thought as is war and other things all came under a male dominated spiritual/sexual system, male control of liniage where as prior women had the option of breeding in varietal ways, the acts in this "fetish" like breeding far from anything related to homosexuality on the sub part, were female ritual and choice so also was her husbands submission to her other partners, in some info I have gathered the practice of feminization was part of empathy ritauls...the sub/husband/cuck being of HIGHER status than other males, required to be more like the priestess, mother, lover... for his role in raising children and being given more responsabiltiy within the family.triabl unit, cyclical seasonal practice of cucking is reflected in celtic wicca and druidic and pagan ritual where the cycle of nature represents the female cycle of needing to mate with others and the males submission in many cases not just to her but to her lover. the further back in time you dig, the more pronounced the cucking ritual seems to become.
The reflections of these ancient practices within modern fetish culture is very apparent, they seem to emerge when allowed to naturally... but often perverted... for example, Take cucking the male in modern culture...the very word is derogatory, but as above in it's roots in Female spiritual culture which was all but erased by men, the role is humiliating, derogatory and ashamed of, where as it was a status symbol to be chosen as mate or husband and parctice ritual in the past...
Far too much to go into, The exact focus is eluding me at the moment or how to break it up or what speciffically...maybe go extremely niche and focus in on one specific element at a time rather than nail a generalization about what it seems os fact that society was spiritually led and female led for the entire legnth of home sapien history until cities were formed
as it seems... lol my capacity to break down into a one liner is not my strong suit ;)
and hey, It had nothing to do with showing off or status or whatever... I just suck at the fantasy end apparently and spend a whole lot of time doing the research
Currently the office i work at is a sex addiction treatment focused office, I interview Fetishists part time atm, to help the psychologists determine council placement, people who's fetishes have caused them disturbance, a Huige number of them have major issues of trauma that derive from being labeled as homosexual... even things that have nothing to do at all with same sex arangements, as it seems to me and I am only doing this a short time, but alot of interviews in that short time...it seems to me hetero and homo as a standard don't even come close to explaining sexing... that dominance and submission and fetishing are far more vital than this distinction of Straight vs Gay and that both are just... fetishes of their own in a way... that the laying down of connections between memories and associations is the determining factor of what triggers arousal
and that ties into my school work in regards to the process of doing so, with the use of various techniques and rituals and even drugs and herbs as boosters to Up the intensity of experiences was a female practice int he past... the knowledge of the priestes in ancient times
and ties into what we do in here because the practices are both matching and emerging again in our culture in fantasy and it seems in practice, from breeding to submission, use of porn to induce fetish behavior... i.e. How Do I convert her... The Dom Sub conditioning of a Male into specific behaviors, or vice versa...
tie it together.. show the reflection from ancient to modern culture and compare it to our natural primate behavior and back it up with scientific evidence in anture and humans... alot of current study shows the reality, the promiscuity of women during ovulation, the fantasy, the parctices of our nearest relatives the bonobo, the failure of the female sexual response in half of monogomous relationships, the desires of so many men to portray submissive roles etc, etc et al
LOL i'll shut up... I need to get it focused, keep it short make it acceptable without dumbing it down... The natural role of female sexuality,
But, I apologize for lack of clarity and ramble... Just doing alot at once and not checking over my input when posting... in short, I need to clarify goals of Thesis for doctorate now... while in the last semester and doing masters paper... my mind wanders alot because I am seeking the same clarity myself andpewing concepts as oppossed to finished thoughts...
and lol my fantasy writing basically sucks and my shared experiences which i change and exagerate sometimes for the carnal end of things bore me and lol I am just trying to focus on what i am really doing... not attempting to be a blowhard... sometimes I just let thoughts fly without stopping to edit or clarify etc... and i will do better to be consise, people bitch, i tend to do this in forums where as for other work I am meticulous in editing, I act more...conversational/brainstormish and it is rude not my place to just ramble away...
I just tend to hit forms on one computer screen while working on another as a way of being less alone when working and I really do need to use them less as a thought process engine and more as a place with readers...
Feedback and resoponse...TY, is of course the best method to remind me I'm in a conversation not a brainstorm session
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# Posted: 19 Dec 2007 03:42:56
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And hey, a Year of wrapping up a life time of fantasy and study and interest and science and a short time now while I find myself with the time to focus it...
Totaly just spew... just did it again up there. Just knocking out the rest of it...games, fantasy, illusion and rl experience many of which are real and sticking with what I am doing and discarding the rest... I tend to go in alot of directions... this one is the real one my priority and saying what I do... was genuinely just cutting to the chase and getting into why I post and cutting out my screw around time... doing alot of work on my personal focus now...
No attempt to establish any kind of... I don't know... control or superior position just my way of quitting screwing around... eliminiating the pretendo and sticking with what I do... came to forum in a half charade in away, not admitting research but rather playing around in roles that were partial truth and just decided to speak straight and there was no need to play games,
but genuinely not a shot at acting like an authority... we are students in life all of us...
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