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Randy4Fun417
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2007 20:09:53
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I am in the same situation, except my wife is less dominant, so I have accepted it on my own. I am happy with it. I have not found a regular top yet, but have chatted with some guys who are interested in using me for their pleasure. My last top is her lover and they have become exclusive to each other now.
I alkways felt guilty when I couldn't give her the athletic, alpha male sex that she craves. Now, the pressure's off and I find it a relief to know that her needs are being met.
Like you, I am not gay. That is, I am not attracted to men at all; I never get hard or cum with a guy. I don't have romantic feelings with men. But I love to submit to a sexually superior man for his pleasure. I cum only by masturbation, either alone or when I get to watch my wife and her lover.
I want my sweet wife to watch me get fucked sometime. She is reluctant, but supportive.
You asked what we think of this arrangement. It sounds great to me. Your wife is more dominant than mine is. I kind of envy you that. The bottom line is, if you like it, go with it, since she is encouraging it.
I expect that my wife and I will be together the rest of our lives, although in a different capacity. She loves me as a husband and partner, yet she is his woman romantically and sexually. We haven't had intercourse in 6 months and neither of us miss it. I get to eat her cream pie once in awhile and I love that.
I have moved into the guest room. That way, when he visits, they can have the master bedroom. If he finds a job in our town, I expect he'll move into the master bedroom and they will be the couple. I will be the roomate, and sort of her best girlfriend who she talks to about her lover.
It satisfies me sexually (good masturbation material), and it fills a need I have to be a pleaser. She is taken care of, and I cen please a man or men, which makes me feel good. Everyone's happy.
The keye here is trust. She and I know each other's character and we trust each other.
Good luck! I'd love to hear more. If you want to chat, I am randy4fun417 on yahoo as well for chat or email.
Randy
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sexlover
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 08:24:47
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randy you are very lucky your fantasy is wonderfulRandy4Fun417
i want to see my wife with other guys (especially big dick black man) fuck.so i m jelaous of you.i hope you are very happy.i want to lick your wife pussy
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Randy4Fun417
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# Posted: 30 Oct 2007 05:38:35
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Thank you! It's late and I need to go to bed, but I thought I'd shaer some pics.
The first shows how beautiful they are when they make love. The second shows me stroking my pathetically small dicklet as I watch a real man seduce my wife and make her his.
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Randy4Fun417
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# Posted: 30 Oct 2007 06:08:02
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He spent the night Saturday, and even tho I couldn't watch, I heard her cumming louder than usual. I had to masturbate. We went to breakfast the next morning and it was like I was a friend accompanying a couple to breakfast.
Yesterday, she told me that very little of his load leaked out, that he got deeper this time. She said her body absorbed his cum. His essence became part of my wife! That is so hot!
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redimac
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# Posted: 30 Oct 2007 19:14:17
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Interesting, I always felt most cucks are closet gays.....
male lover? nothing more than the next step (or finally out in the open )
Joe Preston
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redimac
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# Posted: 30 Oct 2007 19:53:07
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Well, let's see how this goes 
Joe Preston
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redimac
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# Posted: 3 Nov 2007 17:40:46
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Big surprise...50% admit their gay.
Joe Preston
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redimac
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# Posted: 4 Nov 2007 04:14:57
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well, more... so cucks tell us you thoughts on this....
up to now, "in the closet" no?
Joe Preston
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norty2nz
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# Posted: 4 Nov 2007 05:02:56
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I think the bulls are justs as gay as the cuck if they dont mind a cuck sucking on there dick
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Randy4Fun417
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# Posted: 4 Nov 2007 07:25:13
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Redimac writes, "I always felt most cucks are closet gays..." I must give him props for admitting that his comments are his opinion, rather than insisting that his paradigm is the only correct one.
The comments and non-scientific polling remind me of an old video of Andrew Dice Clay on stage back in the late '80s or early 90's. In his performance, the Diceman denies that there is such a thing as "bi". Clay believes that there is only straight or gay. He reasons, "You either suck dick or you don't suck dick."
Not known for deep intellect, nor a firm grasp of subtlety, the Diceman (who Clay insists is only a character that he created and that he should not be held personally accountable for what his character says on stage) is the epitome of dichotomous thinking (all-or-nothing).
It would be foolish to debate redimac as to whether or not I am gay, because redimac obviously has a much different concept of what that word means than I do. To me, being gay has to do with having sexual and romantic attractions to the same gender. In men, it is characterized by arousal when viewing physically attractive men and also by emotional yearnings for the object of affection. None of which do I have any objection to for those who experience such feelings.
In my case, neither of those has ever been present. I am not attracted to men at all, neither physically nor sexually. When I have sex with men, I do not experience sexual arousal. It doesn't matter if they look like a Hollywood star or are considered ugly. As long as they are clean and want to use me for their sexual release, I am game. I don't experience romantic feelings for men, in fact I don't particularly like most men that I meet. I love women.
What I experience is a strong desire to submit to assertive (not aggressive) people for their pleasure. My sexual release comes from sexual intercourse with women or masturbation, only. While I admit I have in the past allowed men to give me oral pleasure, I found it not fulfilling for me, so I no longer go there.
For me, it is useful to differentiate between what I do and a person who is gay so as to avoid misleading someone. I am only looking to be used for someone's pleasure. If they expect me to experience orgasm with them, or to let them suck my cock, or share romantic feelings with them, they are in for a disappointment because I am not available for any of that.
I don't like labels, but if you must label me, I consider myself - by my definition - a submissive, not gay. If redimac believes I am gay because I suck cocks and like to have men fuck my ass, then, by his definition, I am gay. So be it. That word does not hurt me.
In my experience, labels limit people, they do not help gain a true understanding, nor do they promote cooperation and collaboration, all things that I highly value. If I instead I valued competition, comparison, and stereotyping, then labels would serve my purpose quite well, and I would go to great lengths to convince others to use my labels about other people.
If you have hung in there to read this entire posting, I thank you. I saw redimac's posting a few days ago and I decided to sleep on it and give myself a chance to offer a considered response. I did not to be reactive. I seek not to debate, but to explain my paradigm. I hope I have succeeded.
Redimac, this I will address to you, directly. Thank you for your personal opinion, and for labeling it as such (OK, so I agree with labeling opinions, just not other people). I only hope that inserting your opinion did not squelch what looked to be a promising thread. In the four days since your posting, other than your four posts designed to support your original position, only one other person has posted here, and if I am not misunderstanding his point, it was to say the equivalent of, "I'm rubber, you're glue. It bounces off me and sticks to you."  In other words, to debate you.
Now, I hope we can get back to the original topic and not allow this to degenerate into a debate or name-calling.
Thank you!
Randy
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redimac
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# Posted: 4 Nov 2007 17:40:33
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Randy
very thoughtful post indeed....you will come to find find out that I am almost perfectly open and non judgemental to other's lifestyles, including bi gay...and the stuff here. I have a label for my self...but truth be known, as I gained maturity...the edges became somewhat blurry.
I was interested in see what people labeled themselves, hense the poll.....do I have an opinion? You bet. But I'll tell you that I don't judge onother based on a single sex act...or three.
My observation was general in nature, based on my (I admit) limited antidotal experiences. Perhaps I should'nt have expressed it that way, but that was my sensing.
As to the poster suggesting that bulls must be gay...I never met one, could they exist? sure, but by defination, the focus is on the hot wife....not the cuck. Seems to me that many bulls are bi however, but still focused more on the female. I'd tell you that the cuck is most often used as a tool to elevate the sensual/sexual sensations of the hot wife. The cuck is never the primary focus in my experience, (personal and other bulls I know)
That being the case, it sort of puts the gay cucks in a really unhappy situation, no?
Joe Preston
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Randy4Fun417
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# Posted: 5 Nov 2007 05:59:35
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Agreed! They are left out in the cold.
I also agree 100% about the focus being on the wife and not the cuck. I have had occasion in the affiliated chat room to make the point that it’s about the hot wife’s pleasure, not the cuckold’s fantasies. Some members of the community seem to focus on their own fantasy, where others are merely puppets to do their bidding. That’s not how it works. Then, they wonder why they can’t convince their wife to try the lifestyle. Wives know if a guy is after his pleasure or wanting to support the wife’s pleasure. I like being used as a tool to elevate my wife’s experiences.
Being experienced in various flavors of the lifestyle, swinging, orgies, cuckold, and bi play, I have learned that the more we focus on meeting the needs of others, the more our needs are met. Of course, being a pleaser, that’s how I operate.
And, yes, that person who tried to reply to you went overboard the other way, perhaps on purpose, to make his point. It would be sad if a gay bull could please my wife better than I can.
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redimac
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# Posted: 5 Nov 2007 14:43:00
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Well, every individual has his/her own attituded, beliefs, values....together a sort of compass on how to approach things in thier life. I'm way past the judgemental point.....but it does intrigue me to try to understand others.
Now...I'm a bull, as I approach cucks in a relationship, I am strong, directive, demanding, creative and tuned into thier expectations....together with the hot wife, i give my cucks as much as they can handle...to the edge. But be clear, my focus is the sexual satisfaction of my hot wife and myself.
Joe Preston
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Jeanne and girlfriend Jess
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# Posted: 9 Nov 2007 04:34:01
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My wife wants me also to have a male to please on a regular basis. I am or have always considered myself BI but as we get farther into cuckolding and myelf being feminized at the hand of my wife I find myself more and more attrated to the male gender and less and less engrossed in females. I have however found there has been a strong attraction towards TV's and CD's or feminized men. Wife excepts all of these feelings and has embraced them using them to her advantage and pleasure. She often has stated that she is married to her best gurlfriend and enjoys the occasional sharing of a male friend where I am just a little sissy fag helping to please the man in the room. Although she doesnt use the term gay she admitts it is what it is. Jess
Sissy fag Jess... come and clean up my pussy now you little fag!
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laurelready
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# Posted: 9 Nov 2007 04:41:09
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this thead helps so much
I have always thought he was gay maybe.
It was his idea to learn to suck my bulls.
I am going to arrange for a male escort just for him to see if he enjoys it
I will report back
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Jeanne and girlfriend Jess
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# Posted: 10 Nov 2007 05:38:53
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I was looking at some threads here tonight and there were pics of women that were posted (I was just checking all new posts for anaything interesting) Well Jeanne scolded me for looking at a post with females pictured and commanded that I will only be permitted to look at pics of men, Gay sex scenes, or cross dressers, tv, cd material now. If I am caught looking at anything besides what has been deemed appropriate material for a sissy I will not be allowed to cum for one week per offense, she will check the lap top history to see what I have looked at. As far as my chance to cum once a week I am permitted to only look at mens cocks for my visual material, not even her pussy any more. I guess she is more serious about turning me Gay then I realized. It's okay though if thats what my beautiful wife wishes of me then thats what I will be if it makes her happy I will also be happy long as I get to serve her. I will keep everyone informed of any progessions. Sissy Jess
Sissy fag Jess... come and clean up my pussy now you little fag!
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redimac
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# Posted: 10 Nov 2007 18:02:08
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laurelready
Like to hear how that unfolds.
Joe Preston
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jennifer85_2007
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# Posted: 10 Nov 2007 18:44:49
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Redimac is totally right about all of this. As my husband became a cuck he had to learn that the focus of me being with a Bull is my sexual satisfaction and that of the Bull. What my husband gets out of this is totally secondary and his sexual satisfaction is not taken into consideration.
If our Bull chooses to use him for his sexual pruposes so be it. But like Redimac has said it is about his and my satisfaction alone
Jennifer Anderson
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redimac
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# Posted: 11 Nov 2007 17:33:36
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Well, yes, this is a very comples encounter, lots of interesting emotions, some expected, some not. I enjoy the whole piece....sure being the king...directing...feeling perhaps more powerful or desirable than the cuck husband, having possesion of the hot wife. All of this is part of the whole, just as the sexual is. Having use of the female without involvement of the husband is not nearly as interesting...but for me the husband is no big sexual sensual attraction, simply a tool to elevate the hotwives experience. (and perhaps, initially the door keeper to the hot wife)
Joe Preston
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redimac
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# Posted: 12 Nov 2007 01:38:58
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That's "complex"
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cassie
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# Posted: 16 Nov 2007 08:31:42
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Quoting: redimac Well, let's see how this goes
Please Mr Bull Sir, but why is there no bi option? 
bein the best white sissi male there is ain't easy, but i try....
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cassie
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# Posted: 16 Nov 2007 15:55:26
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Quoting: redimac Seems to me that many bulls are bi however, but still focused more on the female. I'd tell you that the cuck is most often used as a tool to elevate the sensual/sexual sensations of the hot wife. The cuck is never the primary focus in my experience, (personal and other bulls I know) That being the case, it sort of puts the gay cucks in a really unhappy situation, no?
not at all.
You just don't operate within a submissive framework...
Sir Bull Radimac...
bein the best white sissi male there is ain't easy, but i try....
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redimac
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# Posted: 19 Nov 2007 03:18:39
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No bi option, likely had too many beers when I put together the poll... sure Bi is a likely option it seems...
You just don't operate within a submissive framework...
Sir Bull Redimac...
Au contraire,
I completely understand and operate in the dom/sub environment. It is, dare I say, a required piece of the cuckold experience. Here I'm ranking in my mind at least the importance of the sexual satisfaction of the hot wife and her bull. For this bull, that is paramount, the cuckold is a mere tool in that regard. Sure it adds to my interest, and perhaps even more to the hot wife’s arousal, but it is clearly not sexually an end game for me.
Joe Preston
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redimac
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# Posted: 19 Nov 2007 03:21:39
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cassie
perhaps this is the bi option:
I cross dress & suck my bull when he asks, but I'm not gay
Joe Preston
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tinyguy102
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 04:35:40
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Of course this is totally up to the bull and woman. But I believe that the cuck should have a boi lover. This send so many messages of emasculation. Since the cuck cant get close to pleasing the woman, the cuck deserves gay relations only. This further cements his postion as a sissy bitch. The bull and woman should invite as many friends as possible to watch the cuck get it on with a fellow bitch for their amusment. How much fun is that?!
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redimac
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 16:29:22
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tinyguy102
that would be fine w/ me.
Joe Preston
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Piltdown
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# Posted: 24 Nov 2007 03:25:54
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Threads like this one are one of the reasons that my wife and I follow this message board. We’re very interested in the feelings and motivations involved with alternative lifestyles. I guess you could call it psychological voyeurism.
Anyway, we’ve been involved with alternative lifestyles for years and have at least played on the fringes of most lifestyles. (And, yes…There are exceptions!) In our adventures, we’ve both experienced aspects of BDSM from both the dominant and submissive perspectives. In the cuckold lifestyle, I’ve found pleasure as the bull and the cuckold. My wife will not be submissive to any man, other than me. She will and prefers a relationship of equality with the bull. Her pleasure comes from surrendering to her personal fantasies and to my pleasure as a submissive.
We’ve also experienced this play in straight and bisexual roles. What we’ve observed is that everyone has their own idea of what constitutes gay, straight and bi. Plus, everyone will put up with at least a small amount of same sex contact. This may involve anything from same bed couples swinging to voluntary same sex intercourse.
We’ve also been profoundly surprised about which men or women involved in alternative lifestyles truly enjoy same sex play. With men in the swinging community this is rarely talked about and if it is, it’s talked about in hushed and negative tones—whispers in dark corners. But, a number of those same people will participate, even instigate, same sex activity once the play begins. Race, natural origin and social status appear to be irrelevant.
In other words, nothing really surprises us outside of non-consensual sex. Even the assholes become a part of the landscape.
So, if someone wants to believe that a cuckold is a closeted “faggot”, then, that’s okay. It plays into the fantasies of a number of hot wives and their cuckolds. If another wants to believe that they can cross-dress and perform fellatio on another man, and that doesn’t make them even a little bi…well…that’s okay, too. Only that person knows how they really feel.
There are two things I do agree with, though. One is that cuckolding is essentially about the pleasure of the hot wife and her lover and for that reason a gay bull would seem just a bit incomprehensible unless all participants belong to the same gender.
All universal moral principles are idle fancies.
- Marquis de Sade
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redimac
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# Posted: 25 Nov 2007 05:02:10
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Piltdown
Clear thinking, effectively written.
The point is that there is a lot more going on below the presented veneer than often is admitted to. Sure the dynamics are quit complex, even unpredictable. People come to this to satisfy some inner fantasy. I enjoy exploring these desires and the expectations they create. The individual expression of sexuality is not always clear, not even to self. One of the things that attract me to this lifestyle (as a bull) is getting my arms around the wild sweep of interpersonal dynamics. Rightness and wrongness?….its really not that concrete. It takes both years of experience and a willingness to be completely open in order to enjoy a complete experience. When that happens, pretty cool for all involved.
Sad to say the bull/hotwife/cuckold scene is almost never quit lives up to what it seems.....
Joe Preston
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latin4blk2
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# Posted: 8 Dec 2007 08:44:20
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Randy4Fun417
Jeanne and girlfriend Jess
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latin4blk2
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# Posted: 8 Dec 2007 08:56:20
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jennifer85_2007after being emasculated by my gf, we met a bisexual blk male and i surrendered to him like a lil sissy. i accepted that my role was to pleasure him..but when he slid his manhood and started to rock my insides i found myself enjoying his cock like a bitch. i knew that if he wanted feminize me i could not stop him.
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