Sorry it's been so long again. I've just changed jobs, our puppy was mauled by another dog (OK now), tgiving, relatives in town, and vacation - needless to say we've been very busy. I'll try to answer some of the questions that you've posted. Mrs Lips intends to post as well (hopefully tonight if I can convince her).
I still have not edited more from session 4, but have plenty more pictures/audio/video once I get to it. Then I'm out of material until we record more. However, I do have plenty of material of her and/or us that doesn't include another man although I'm not sure if you are interested in that. Too bad I can't show you about 90% of the video because I can't edit our my wife's face without buying expensive software. It's time consuming enough cutting out sections of video and audio to get "anonymous" portions. Since the last post, we've had session 6, which again had no pictures/video
It was all bareback again with creampie. I think it was session 6...Wierd how quickly I'm loosing count of how many times this black man has fucked my wife in front of me...I know I have not progressed with the "life story" leading up to and including all of her episodes. This is exactly why I wanted to document it all - so we didn't forget the details, thoughts, emotions, etc.
We tried going to a private on-premise swingers club to see what that was all about. It was horrible. Seedy without a hint of class. It was like leftover hippies having an orgy. We left after about an hour without seeing or participating in anything. Last week, we were in Florida (w/o the kids) where I convinced my wife to go to a nude beach for the first time. I had been once before about 10 years ago and enjoyed it. My wife was very unconforatble the first day and kept her suit on most of the time. We ended up going back for the rest of our time down there and my wife became very comfortable. There certainly are some characters! She, of course, had to point out all of the black men that seemed to parade up and down the beach "shopping" for white women and/or couples. They actually seemed to have decent luck finding and staying with white couples. None came up to us, however. We were almost disappointed. Perhaps there is some kind of signal that we didn't know. We are not forward enough to invite them over and I'm sure we would not have taken a stranger back with us, but it would have been sexy to have a black man sit with us on the beach naked in front of my naked wife and talk/flirt for a few hours. Before we went on the trip, we pre-selected several black men from AFF from that area in case we wanted to meet for vacation/anonomous/one-time sex for my wife. We also found what looked like a very classy and hip nightclub for lifestylers. We went to the club the first night. It was really cool, so polar opposite from the one we saw back home! I don't think you want me to go into details about the place, but we ended up having sex in a room with windows where people watched us. This really turned my wife on, particularly the single black man who was jerking off 3 feet from us on the other side of the window. Check mark - go to a swingers club (even though we don't consider ourselves as such), have sex while others watch us. We went back the next night. We again had sex, this time in a room full of other couples. Another couple came close and the female started (uninvited) to feel my wife's tits and pussy. My wife said she didn't know how to or was too shy to say "no thanks". Even though she says this, I did notice that my wife felt the other woman's tits and pussy. That was a super turn on for me! I'm sure she was just curious, but later said that it didn't do much for her. I am still going to hold out hope though! My wife let me kiss the girl, feel/suck her tits, and finger her pussy, but once the other woman started sucking my dick for about 5 seconds, my wife became uncomforatble and stopped it. Still though, who would've thought that less than 6 months from being totally innocent as a couple that we would have come this far this fast? The next day at the nude beach, there was one black man that had a gigantic cock that was in the water about 100yds away that my wife couldn't stop looking at. She "suggested" that we "walk to the bathrooms" and wanted to walk down by the water instead of on the walkway at the top of the beach which we always used. I knew what she wanted to see and called her on it. She was embarrasssed that I "caught her" but I reassured her that it was OK and that I would help her time it so she could get a good look. We went in the ocean together about 10-15 feet away so my wife could nonchalantly gawk. Needless to say, she was enthralled and commented that she had never seen a dick so big. She was super horny! That night we called one of the men from AFF that gave us his number. We meet out last minute. I made my wife not wear panties under her sundress. I had high hopes - what could be better - vacation, no strings, way far away from home, wife horny...You won't believe this I'm sure, but the guy turned out to be the same guy from the beach. We made an agreement beforehand that the intro meeting would not progress into anything more on the first night, but if it was a match, we would include him the rest of the vacation. He was nice, entertaining, educated, good looking. The problem was that he was WAY too into the lifestyle. He knew every swingers club, which one was better on which night, he knew all the regulars from the nude beach and their stories, etc. My wife was worried about disease (even with condoms). This guy and the situation was 100% perfect except for his experience level which was a big turn-off. We ended up not meeting again. However, my wife showed him her bare pussy under the table when he asked her to. She had too many wines and moved to his side of the booth where she took out his cock and briefly played with it. She was just staring at it and holding it in her hand. I had to look under the table, and her hand looked absolutely TINY on it. Yes - it was her left hand, the one with her wedding ring on it. She couldn't even get her hand around it! I was actually getting nervous, because my wife was too buzzed to notice the public situation, but I'm sure other people noticed some white couple sitting in a booth with a black dude, then the white girl leave her partner to sit on the other side of the booth next to the black dude, then her arm disappearing under the table for a few minutes with her head staring down into his lap, then her white partner looking under the table, with a big smile on the black guy's face. I don't think it was hard for anybody noticing to figure out what was going on. I'm not particularly into public humiliation, but so what, we'd never see these people again. Anyway, that was all of the interesting things from our last few weeks.
We have been communicating through AFF with a potential 2nd black male. In summary, the first other man we ever met out (imagine the luck) with ended up having great chemistry and he was her first and current lover. Since then , we have met out with 4 other black men including the Florida guy. They were only intro meetings and no more than about an hour each. There was no chemistry with the others except one which we have been trying to arrange a follow-up outing for over a month. He is relatively "innocent" (which we like) in the lifestyle (only been with one other couple and two white girls). He is a giant, less cut but much taller and bigger than her current lover. His dick pictures on AFF are enormous (we both want that!)! And he is humble, educated, classy, interesting, etc, even shy. We both think it's a match, so we think that he will become her second "other" man, her second black man, and only the third man to ever have fucked her. And her first GIGANTIC cock! Can't wait to see the pics/vis of that let alone witness it in person. Can't wait to see how it affects my wife and I'm sure she can't wait to experience it! We have tentative agreement to meet this Friday pending babysitting. I don't know how carried away my wife will allow herself to get and whether she will let him fuck her (she knows I want her to), but I'm sure she'll at least feel him and let him feel her and hopefully even a blowjob in our car. If it works out, this man may become my wife's new lover or possibly replace her existing lover as I think we may be a "one other man" type couple. Her existing lover is further away, we suspect several secrets which are making us nervous/suspicious, has two other regular lovers (God knows who they are sleeping with), and is going to a resort this winter where he is going to fuck many other women. He has previously shown us papers which is why he has been fucking my wife bareback and cumming inside of her, but now we are again worried about disease. If we can find a new BBC, hopefully this new prospect, that has chemistry, is close, has an ENORMOUS cock, is relatively innocent, and isn't so reserved about pictures and videos, then perhaps we can have an exclusive relationship where he shows papers and can fuck my wife and cum in her (much preferred to condoms!) as much as he and/or we want without us having to worry about disease, secrets, and who else he is sleeping with.
Fuzzyman123 - Unfortunately, I do not have any creampie pictures yet. Since her lover has been cumming in her, I have only taped it once and had the camera off before he finished since I was participating at that point. This is part of the reason why we ideally want a man who has less secrets and lets us take more pictures/videos. There are several scenes that I want to capture.
1. Wife spread open missionary, opening her pussy with her left hand (ring visible) with the BBC positioned just about to enter, then slightly pushing into the lips, then head in, half in, then all in.
2. Same as above, but with my hand (wedding ring showing) opening my wife's pussy.
3. Wife and I in 69 (with wife on top) and BBC fucking her doggie right over my face.
4. I want the BBC's audio/comments just like I am trying to capture my wife's. I want to hear him tell my wife how good she feels on his BBC, to hear him tell me, how he wants to and is going to cum in her married white pussy, etc.
5. Creampie pictures (and if I ever get the courage, me cleaning), of various sorts like the dick still in but cum leaking out, dick just pulled out but still right there, my wife and her lover laying next to each other with his cum leaking out of her, etc.
6. Cumshot in her mouth, with her swallowing but some leaking out of her mouth. Cumshot on her face, or belly, etc.
7. many others....suggestions are also appreaciated.
Kriggo - The biggest she thinks she can handle? She/we think she can and want to try longer than her current lover. We estimate that he is about 8 inches (I am six). However, he is easily twice as thick as I am (I don't know how thick I am, never measured thickness). She has reiterated what we have heard many times, that thickness is better than length. Don't misunderstand, she loves both (You heard her audio on what she thinks about that...), but definately prefers thickness. Ideally, the man will be enormous in both. Don't know if she'll like it, but we both (I assure you it's not just me) want to have her try an ENORMOUS cock. We are hoping the man we are meeting with this weekend will provide that test.
jujube - I know this is not what you want to hear, but my wife has not cum with her lover yet. She rarely does with me either, and only if I'm doing it manually and/or orally, but very very very rarely/almost never from intercourse. Perhaps that is just her physical make-up, becuase underneath her classy exterior is an absolute sex kitten! I was curious if a new lover, one with a large dick, could bring it out in her, but it hasn't happened yet. Maybe as she becomes more comfortable fucking other men, maybe as she loses any remaining guilt/inhibitions, gets over her husband watching and her not wanting to react "too much" for fear of hurting my feelings, maybe a really HUGE dick can bring it out. Who knows. What I do know is that if and when it happens for the first time on a BBC, it will undoubtedly be one of the most if not THE most erotic thing I have or ever will see.
Michelle76 - Great response! I will let my wife respond to the part you addressed to her...As for me:
1. Concerning my involvement, I prefer mostly to watch, but sometimes to participate. I would say that about 80% of the combined time across the six sessions, I was watching and/or taking vids/pics. We both want the pics/vids and have watched them many times since. It's essential that we find/maintain a lover that allows this and ideally helps capture what we want to capture (outlined to some degree above). Unfortunately, it's not nearly as satisfying for me to be looking through a lens when I can be looking up close "in person" as it's happening in "real life". It also detracts from the spontanaeity and somewhat dampens the mood for all three parties. In a perfect world, I would like some ghost person that's invisible to us capture it all leaving me free and not intruding on the dynamic. That being said, of the time when I do participate: she has sucked her lovers dick, swallowed his cum, and then came over and kissed me full on the mouth (I think she likes doing this - I'd like her to explain her reasons for this). She made me give her oral while she was waiting for her lover to arrive at the hotel (I think she liked having her husband get her ready to get fucked by a BBC). She likes to look into my eyes and make various comments to me and him while he's fucking her. We often hold hands while he is fucking her. I have held her with my back against the headboard, with my wife in my arms/lap while she is getting fucked ( we sometimes hold hands and/or kiss, or I feel her belly/pussy (and one time her clit) while his big black cock is fucking her deeply right underneath my hand and inside her (my!) pussy. Sometimes I stand by the bed to the side or on the bed beside her and she either strokes (with her wedding ring hand preferably) or sucks my much smaller cock while while she moans, wraps her legs around his back, grabs his butt and pulls his big dick deep into her pussy. Sometimes she sucks my cock while she is being deep fucked from behind doggiestyle, sometimes we kiss deeply while he is fucking her from behind and I can feel her body being rocked back and forth. Sometimes when his big black cock feels so overwhelmingly euphoric and deep, she won't have the concentration to kiss me or suck my dick while doing this, and she will simply put her head into my lap or abdomen and hold my torso while the soft and plush body of my beautiful wife is pushed forcefully and relentlessly into me. That feeling leaves no mistaking as to what is going on. It is actually one of the most erotic things for me to see and feel. In session 4, while my wife was doggie-style, her lover told me to come over and open her pussy lips and hold them open after which he slowly slid his whole length into my wife while I stood there, watched, and helped him make my wife moan from his big black cock pushing all the way into her. Last time, my wife was straddling her lover who was about to enter her when he asked me to grab him and put it in my wife for him. I chickened out, and declined. I don't know if I'm homophobic or what, and maybe this has something to do with me not being able to clean her up after he cums in her. I think he is starting to be more comfortable with the cuckold dynamic and I think he likes it. I think he is testing the waters as to my boundaries because he likes fucking my wife while I watch. He definately likes kissing her deeply when he fucks her. He like fucking her bareback and cumming in her. He likes to ask me to help him fuck her like putting him in her or holding her open. He likes it when she tells him and me that he's bigger and better. He demanded that she answer "who's pussy is this?". He had to ask twice because my wife was trying not to embarrass or humiliate me. But she did answer. You know what she said. He likes pushing her body into me when he's plowing her. Who can blame him. he likes seeing her kiss me or hold my hand while he fucks her. If I was a well endowed black man, I would do this kind of thing as much as humanly possible! We have not tried a DP yet, but I want to try it. There are some other things that I want to see and try, some of which are described in my response to fuzzyman. I really want to try number 3, but don't know how to ask a guy to let me try this. I'm sure eventually I will try the creampie thing. It really turns my wife on. As I said earlier, I find the idea erotic, but just can't seem to get over the psychological hurdle. Don't ask me why, I'm no Freud! Here's what I have gotten up the nerve to do in that regard; After session 4, and after her lover left the hotel room, my wife went to freshen up and wipe away the cum that was leaking out of her. About 5 minutes later, I did begin to tentatively lick her pussy. I didn't taste, see, or feel anything, but did distinctly smell it. I will admit that the reality of smelling a another man's cum inside my wife's pussy (which is supposed to be ONLY mine by love and marriage), put there minutes ago by a large black man with a much bigger cock, was erotic! I tried to lick deeper, starting to really get into it, and started to try to put my tongue inside of her as deep as I could. My wife wife really liked this and was pulling my head into her pussy with both hands and looking intently into my eyes as I looked up at hers. Alas, I found no taste or pool of cum. My wife says that he does not cum nearly as much or as forcefully as I do. At least I have that going for me, right?! And after session 6, she wiped away the leakage, we drove home, about 50minutes, and starting to make love. I again tried what I did after session 4, same result. So I perhaps, technically I did succeed in cleaning up since I tried. There just wasn't anything there. If there had been, then we wouldn't be having this discussion. As I said, I'm sure we'll eventually check that box, and I'm sure we will both like it (probably mostly my wife), and maybe I'll understand why many/most of the guys on here are obsessed with it.
2. In answer to your question on who initiated the discussion on bareback; I'm sure that I was the one that initiated the discussions. I initiated most of this stuff. We had many, many discussions about trying another man and at each mini-step along the way, and years went by before even the first step was taken. There were many times where we would drop it for several months at a time. Once my wife was completely sure that it posed no threat to our marriage/relationship, that I wanted it and wanted her to enjoy it, that I had no alterior motives, etc. (whole other discussion), then my wife did not fight it and even looked forward to it and, now, certainly enjoys EVERY SECOND of it (really - what woman wouldn't in such a scenario?). Similarly, with the condom issue, I'm sure I initiated the conversation, we had many discussions and changes of heart, but again - we both ideally wanted the other man to fuck her without one and cum in her. Seriously, we all know, men and women alike, that condoms don't feel as good and it's really anti-climactic (pardon the pun) for both sexes to not be able to cum in a woman's pussy. Obviously safety comes first however, which is why we waited for the papers (with the little "accident" described earlier in the thread). I wish I remembered the exact words as you asked for. This is why I wish I was doing a better job of documenting all of this as it happens so that I don't forget all of the details. Once they are lost, they are lost. And that is a shame!
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